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Data Robotics DroboFor those of you who were waiting to buy a Data Robotics Drobo, wait no longer!

Data Robotics announced the release of the second iteration of their 4-bay expandable storage solution, Drobo. Many potential buyers were aghast at the original version's lack of FireWire, so the company added FireWire 800 (FireWire 400 compatible) ports to the original USB 2.0 connection. Transfer speeds with FireWire 800 are expected to be about double those of the USB connection.

The new Drobo also has improved software. The old model would see a drop in performance after the array reached about 50% of capacity. With the new software, performance remains steady regardless of how much data you've packed into your Drobo. Data Robotics says Mac users can expect a performance increase of 10 - 200%.

When new, higher-capacity drives become available, you'll be able to expand the capacity of your Drobo to up to 16 TB. That should be enough to handle all of my TUAW comment email! The second-generation Drobo becomes available in about three weeks, and the original $499 price tag is still in effect for an unpopulated box (no drives included).

Updated to note that no FireWire 400 ports are included. Thanks to Neg and See3Pio for the heads-up!

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FairbanksFrank

I have an important warning for everyone for the Drobo device. I just purchased the new one with the firewire 800 for my mac. I also bought a TON of 1 TB Western Digital drives. I have a bunch of digital video and photography RAWs to back up. So I get it, install 4 drives and I get..... 2.7 TB. I call the company and ask them 'where are my 4 TB', and they is so many words, and I am paraphrasing here, that this is a RAID device in all but name. RAID that cannot be turned off under ANY circumstances! You lose approximately 50% of the drive space you install!!! I really wish they had just said that in black and white before I dropped thousands of dollars on this thing. I mean my PowerMac comes with RAID capability, but I can CHOOSE to use it if I want. But with DROBO you have no choice. All the comments about fantasies of having 16TB online - yeah, I was having them too. But the most you are gonna get is possibly 10TB. Of course we have to wait until 4TB single drives are available in a few years from now.

Sorry to disappoint, but as I was searching the web here for ways to disable the firmware or to maybe burn a new firmware with a modified ROM, I came across this forum with a lot of people who were as badly misinformed as I was.

PLEASE pass this along so that other people don't make the same mistake as I did. Its a very painful lesson.

The company also told me that to use it for backups as was the intended purpose in my case, I would have to remove the ENTIRE 4TB drive set, all 4 drives, in order to retain what were essentially 2 copies of my data. A first copy taking up 2.7 TB and a second copy, presumably compressed or something taking up a little less.

I think this is a great item for companies who need online RAID or any user who actually WANTS RAID. I do not see any value whatsoever in having it be hot swappable like they have made it?!?! It only makes it easier to ADD drives as you use more space. But most tech junkies I know go for the max right off the bat, um, like I did.

Again, to recap: The Drobo device is an ENFORCED, NON-OPTIONAL RAID DEVICE that will make half of your bought storage disappear for the second data set.

Go to their website and use the Drobo Calculator, or the Drobulator I think they call it, somewhat cryptically. After I bought it, I went over all the spec data I had read to see where I made my mistake about thinking I would get 4TB if I put in (4) 1TB drives, and while in retrospect there are hints at it, there is nothing that the company says which is clearly stated that you get half the capacity that you install. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THIS CLEARLY!! And judging from all the posts here, quite a LOT of people are as misinformed as I am.

Perhaps an email campaign to the company to get them to make the RAID optional. I mean come on, its just freakin firmware - we all know that. They can make it a choice. All I wanted was a nice hot swappable external storage device. They are losing 90% of their potential market I am sure, once everyone hears about this.

Thanks for hearing me out.....

Frank

August 22 2008 at 1:38 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mike S

There's no reason to charge $20 at all. Take it back Apple.
Unless it's a new release like going from 1.1 to 2.0, then it should be FREE

July 09 2008 at 9:52 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Al Degutis

I purchased the USB-based Drobo 12 days ago (from yesterday). Had the Firewire version been available I would have purchased that. I went to the Drobostore.com site and could not find a written policy for exchanges or returns. So they don’t have a return policy? So I called customer service. The woman on the phone confirmed that they do not have any policies in place, took my information and said someone would contact me. I followed up with an e-mail via their support form. I found out this morning that they will not exchange it.

Most retailers have either a 14-day or 30-day return policy. I find this to be poor customer service. Especially since they don’t have a written policy online. What if Best Buy, Dell, Apple and others didn't have a return policy? Not acceptable.

July 09 2008 at 9:16 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Mike M

Hello Al. Did you get anywhere with Drobo. I have been dealing with them today about returning my unit also and they have been very uncooperative. Horrible customer service. For months they had a 30-day money-back guarantee and then they did a huge promotion with the Macbreak Weekly podcast. This was clearly just to dump a bunch of old drobos which are now worth "nothing." And now they have NO mention at all of returns on their website PERIOD. I am waiting for a call back from them but I am not holding my breath.

July 10 2008 at 8:12 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mike M

Hello Al. Did you get anywhere with Drobo. I have been dealing with them today about returning my unit also and they have been very uncooperative. Horrible customer service. For months they had a 30-day money-back guarantee and then they did a huge promotion with the Macbreak Weekly podcast. This was clearly just to dump a bunch of old drobos which are now worth "nothing." And now they have NO mention at all of returns on their website PERIOD. I am waiting for a call back from them but I am not holding my breath.

July 10 2008 at 8:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
NavStar

You can buy FW400 to FW800 cables and it'll work (but you'll only operate at FW400 speeds, 'natch)

July 09 2008 at 6:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Data

Thanks again Reg, ill be following this devixce that's for sure.

July 09 2008 at 5:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Data

@Reg , thanks for the comment, i am surprised about the virtualization part, that feels to me like there is an other layer of software ( that might get corrupted ) added to the set up.
I would have expected something like hardware raid for savety.

July 09 2008 at 4:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Tezgno

While it is true that hardware raids are better than software raids, current models of virtualized storage (which employs the best of both) are proven technologies pioneered by vendors like Xiotech, EMC, and Compellent. In fact, virtualized storage powers a large percentage of mission critical data in the US alone. It is because of this technology, however, that the Drobo is so "expensive." Compared to typical raid setups that the consumer space is familiar with, this unit appears to be pointless (in some cases) and expensive for what it does because most people in the consumer space are not familiar with how different the technology running in a Drobo really is. But, here is some food for thought. The Drobo sells for $499 and is very similar to single-controller storage arrays (minus fiber or iSCSI) from Xiotech and Compellent (in terms of its storage technology). The current model supports 4TB of virtualized single-tier storage. A single-controller Compellent array with SATA enclosure (no drives or front side fiber, just iSCSI) will run you close to $15,000 for similar storage technology. For what it does and how it does it, it's an unbelievable price.

July 09 2008 at 5:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Data

This sounds like the new file system , that is coming to Snowleopard aswell, atleast on the server side, ZFS i think it's called. RaidZ/RaidZ2

July 09 2008 at 2:21 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Tezgno

Well, not really. Drobo is basically using a system that is being utilized by a few SAN vendors (Compellent comes to mind here) known as storage virtualization. Essentially, the system is striping multiple raid sets across all of the drives virtually, allowing for you the ability to grow and better protect your data by simply adding more drives. In addition, data can be moved between the raid sets (scrubbing) on the fly as you add or remove drives from the system automatically without any type of user intervention. Plus, with the use of thin provisioning, the system can display to the OS a volume of whatever size you want, even if you do not have the storage to back it up. This is how you are able to add more storage by simply adding larger disks. On a 64bit OS, you can basically tell your system that you have attached a 16TB unit even though you only have 1TB of space in it. Thin provisioning prevents white space from consuming raw space so you can add files and folders to the unit without the unit complaining of running out of space. When you reach the limit of your physical storage, you simply add more (or a new) space to the physical unit and keep on going. To the OS, the size of the volume never changed. It is still 16TB as far as it is concerned.

The Drobo does not have a file system. It works with raw data blocks. The file system comes from the OS you have attached the unit to (i.e. a PC or Mac). My comment was more of a technical limitation that used to exist with the old Drobo's. On the old system, you could not present a volume larger than 2TB to the OS (64bit or not). This was a limitation in the units software (some said that it was a USB issue). It appears as though this new unit no longer has this issue.

July 09 2008 at 3:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tezgno

The real question is whether or not it supports a 64bit file system structure allowing for Drobo to have volumes larger than 2TB. Currently, the Drobo is limited to 2TB volumes. If you add more than 2TB to the current Drobo, what you actually get is two volumes that show up. So, even though you can have more than 2TB in the unit, you have to manually spread out your data to multiple file system volumes once you hit the 2TB volume limit.

July 09 2008 at 1:59 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Tezgno

Nevermind my comment. It appears as though this new Drobo's Thin Provisioning system allows for 64bit file system support, allowing for you to have a single 16TB volume if one wanted. That was the biggest reason that I haven't purchased one yet (as the unit is going to be used for media storage). Now, I will.

July 09 2008 at 2:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
robb

The Data Robotics page on the new Drobo says "supports up to 16TB on a single volume as disk sizes increase."

So it looks like they're using a 64-bit filesystem.

July 09 2008 at 3:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Reid Ellis

Why no gigabit ethernet? :-/

Having a separate product (Droboshare, $200) is pretty lame. $700 for just a networked empty box? There are multi-drive, gigabit boxes out there for $80 and less.

July 09 2008 at 1:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jeffrey

Seems like a useless purchase because if you want to use this networked- the bottleneck is USB 2 speeds until they update the network adapter. Other products with the same or lower price point include networking/other ports

July 09 2008 at 1:24 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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robb

If you want a NAS, this perhaps isn't the best choice for you. I've yet to find a consumer-priced NAS that can give decent sustained transfer rates though, so I just hook up drives to a Mac mini server. It works great, and the Drobo is pretty much perfect. Plus Firewire 400 is usually pretty close to the same speed as GigE and 800 is usually faster.

July 09 2008 at 3:17 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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