AT&T wants the iPhone until 2011
Why wouldn't they? I know about a dozen people who have switched to AT&T precisely because they are the only US iPhone game in town (mostly). The exclusivity ends 2010, but SAI asks, will Apple renew its contract with AT&T? The biggest problem plaguing iPhones appears to be the network -- AT&T is notorious for dropped calls and spotty 3G coverage, whereas now-number 1 service provider Verizon has a great reuptation for coverage (both voice and data).The issue for Apple is compounded by the fact that AT&T uses the globally-accepted network standard of GSM, where Verizon uses the other, less-used standard CDMA. So now you've got two radios to deal with (as provided in the Blackberry 8830 World Edition), something I think Cupertino isn't eager to implement.
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Why wouldn't they? I know about a dozen people who have switched to AT&T precisely because they are the only US iPhone game in town...
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AT&T SUCKS
we all know that...it's time that Apple gets that message too
of all the companies that they could have partnered with AT&T is the worst of the bunch
remember when AT&T was just a long distance company???
THEY SUCKED THEN TOO...thatâs why MCI was used by most people I knew
chances are they will always SUCK...now that I got that off my chest
the fact of the matter is...Apple should have made phones for every company in the beginning...they have great lawyers..so they need to find where AT&T has broken the contract...cuz we know they are shysters and have done something that would allow Apple to get out of this agreement
BURN AT&T BURN TO THE GROUND
Not if I have any say in it. Not unless they drastically improve cell phone service in the Seattle/Puget Sound area.
My wife hates the cell phone service (and calendar) on the iPhone. She hates that I "talked her into it" and that it sucks so much. She misses half her calls that go directly to her voice mail. And those sometimes don't show up for hours. The same happens to me all the time.
It seems like more and more when either of us do get a phone call we can't hear who is calling us and they can't hear us. My wife has come very close to smashing her iPhone quite a few times.
We have had her iPhone changed out by AT&T three times and the SIM six times. They can see that she is getting a lot of calls that are dropped or that are going directly to voice mail because the iPhone cannot be reached. And this is in downtown Seattle and in the area surrounding it. There is no reason, even they admit it, that she shouldn't be getting these calls or having the problems we have both been having.
PS: I haven't changed out my iPhone or SIM because mine isn't quite as bad. Plus changing hers out hasn't helped her at all so why bother changing mine out. Both of us already have the 3G iPhones.
She also hates the calendar and e-mail. She wants to see all her accounts in one list for e-mail and there is very little she likes, if anything, about the calendar on the iPhone. Yes I would like them to be easier to work with but I'm not as upset as she is.
As soon as we can switch to another provider WITHOUT jailbreaking our phones, we will be switching. Preferably to Verizon which we had before and worked great. At least for us.
Does she have push turned on? How often does the phone automatically check email? If she is not in a 3g area, the phone can't recieve calls while checking/recieving/sending email.
April 17 2009 at 12:03 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyFree the phone! I don't care which is better in which region. I want choice! I want that so wonderful free market power back.
Personally I'd vote for T-mobile as a 2nd provider. Apple would just need to add thief 3G frequency. I'd never go to CDMA. But for those that never travel outside the US (which judging by the percentage of Americans holding passports is the vast majority) I guess there is a market for it.
I think it's important to note that there are those of us who would LOVE an iPhone (to go with the 3 macs I use at home and work), but will absolutely not switch to AT&T. I really hope Apple doesn't go for this...
April 16 2009 at 4:26 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyLTE is the key to Apple staying with AT&T. All of Apple's other partners are gearing up to cover their networks in LTE coverage in 2010 with AT&T being the only major holdout. If AT&T doesn't want to keep current, Apple might leave them behind.
April 16 2009 at 2:42 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI've had AT&T (Cingular) service for the past 6-7 years. In that time I've lived in northern Michigan, the suburbs of Detroit, & Atlanta, GA. I've also made trips to NYC, Phoenix and LA, and other than the occasional dropped call in places like tunnels and rural valleys, my service has been perfect.
April 15 2009 at 10:12 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAT&T/T-Mobile split would be a good compromise. I know T-Mobile wants the iPhone. Their staff will most likely help you unlock it, if you ask the right person. They would only have to add another/different 3G chip, and T-Mobile would be 100% working. Not that hard, in all truth.
April 15 2009 at 6:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDoesn't really matter to me. The benefit of living in an (extremely) large metropolitan area (LA, and now San Diego) is that outside of the hilly areas, everyone has good coverage. I had Sprint, then Verizon, now T-mobile - all had about equivalent coverage. The only difference was the location of the blind spots.
April 15 2009 at 4:41 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThe way I see it is it's a multi level problem. Let me start by saying that I had a blackberry for a few months through my company with AT&T. Reception was ok. My wife was on Alltlel. She never dropped a call at home, whereas I was constantly talking from "the reception Spot" of the house. I am now on Alltel with her and I can actually carry on a conversation riding up 20 floors in a skyscraper. My company has corporate AT&T accounts and I watch as they look at me in envy while on the phone in the elevators.
That being said, CDMA from what I have read, has better range than GSM. This is especially true of Rural Areas. The Drawback is that most US carriers lock the CDMA phones for their network only. Also, Apple right now is making money off each subscriber on the AT&T network every month. Residual income is a powerful motivator to stay with them.
However, if verizon and consequently Alltel, and eventually other CDMA companies adopt LTE, then it would behoove Apple to start manufacturing iPhones for these other companies as well. I think many companies would kick back fees to apple on a monthly basis, seeing how popular the phones are. Hell, I think most CEO's would give their left testicles to get the iPhone on their networks
I hope Apple is getting something good in return. Like an extra hundred bucks up front. Or prohibiting the Pre from AT&T for a year or two.
If Apple does get more $$ up front they'll have to decide what to do with it. Passing it on to customers? I'm not sure selling iPhones for less than $199 is a good idea. Perceived value, etc.
It would be an interesting Marketing 101 discussion.
And do you think those costs won't be passed along in the form of higher data charges or reduced subsidies?
The only interesting question is whether Apple will make a CDMA iPhone as well. If it switches from GSM to CDMA then we're all worse off since it's US only (basically) and is even more difficult to unlock.
If it goes non-exclusive, well maybe we're better off, but all it really means is that the subsidy goes bye-bye and you take your chances as to whether tmo or at&T support the data and features as well as they would with an exclusive.
Le Big Mac said, "And do you think those costs won't be passed along in the form of higher data charges or reduced subsidies?"
I don't really know. Obviously there's a benefit for AT&T to bring people over, and they make money when they get there, even with a subsidy.
I haven't done the math about what cost was greater for consumers: original iphone or 3G. The 3G sells for far less than the original, but I think bottom-level plans cost more. There's nothing in that (the change) indicating it would have to change again.
But if Apple is delivering features that will tax the network harder than AT&T might have concerns and charge more for an unlimited data plan.
You ask a good question which is why I said it would be good for discussion, I don't have all the facts or the answer myself. It's a pretty complicated scenario.
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