The Flash saga continues: Adobe responds to charges of "laziness"

"...given identical hardware, Flash Player on Windows has historically been faster than the Mac...."
This is because Windows allows Flash to also utilize the GPU where Flash on Mac is forced to make due with justthe CPU. It doesn't matter how great of a juggler someone is. If you tie one arm behind their back they're gonna drop a few balls.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/

Adobe should have come back and said "Apple need to open up it's drivers so we can get hardware acceleration in Flash",
to which Apple could reply "Flash should use Quicktime X for decoding h.264, just like everyone else",
to which Adobe can reply "iTunes doesn't use Quicktime X for decoding; it still uses Quicktime 7",
to which Apple can reply "Introducing iTunes X for Snow Leopard; all Cocoa, no Carbon, just like every OS X App should be",
to which Adobe can reply "Photoshop uses Carbon!",
to which Apple can reiterate "…just like every OS X App should be - didn't you guys learn anything from Quark - even Office:Mac is going Cocoa!".

Partners with Apple maybe, but part of Apple not in this reality.

I'm sorry, my apologies for how this comment may come off, but the "defense of Apple" on not using Flash is in a word: "tired."

This debate is like refusing to use VHS when Beta was clearly the better format. We all know how that turned out.

As a graphic designer I use Adobe products almost EXCLUSIVELY. Part of the original base of Apple consumers ARE graphic designers, and by and large we use Adobe Creative Suite which INCLUDES Flash.

What we do, and how we use it often requires the use of Flash for various products, AND the various services we NEED to perform our jobs.

It is a HINDERANCE to Apple's original base of customers, and frankly, it's a slap in the face to us if the iPad doesn't eventually support it.

I've been an Apple supporter for years, but I am increasingly becoming frustrated with Apple ignoring their professional users in favor of developing "consumer level products."

Flash is used in a wide range of products, services and media. From ads and websites, to cartoons, television, and video.

Work WITH your partners, don't lambaste them in public. Bottom line for me, if Apple loses Adobe, I have NO use for Apple products.

Flash is a necessary evil whether you like it or not. Supporting Apple's decision for not supporting it is irresponsible, and uninformed.

I hate using a mouse too. But I still NEED it.

I hate Flash because I can't get plugin from someone who can write it properly. I've just had 2 issues this week. I came to work where I left some pages open in my browser and the first thing I see in Google Chrome is a popup warning me that Flash plugin is consuming too much resources if I want to kill the process. Secondly, yesterday on my Mac in Safari I my MacBook was heating up like crazy even though I was only editing file in terminal. I checked activity monitor and on top of CPU and memory usage was a Flash plugin in Safari - not responding. So I had to kill Safari.

Some people may like Flash plugins but please someone give me option to get rid of all of them from my computers because I hate to deal with them anymore.

I love Apple for not putting Flash plugin on their portable devices!

Apple forever!

Flash is Trash. Adobe lives in a Roach Motel.

I have to defend Adobe on some level, Photoshop and most CS apps run better on OS X than they do on Windows, but people pay for that.
In general, with every piece of software that's multi-os, there's one OS it runs better on than on the other, but that's no excuse for flash's utterly bad performance on OS X, it's not just a slight difference, it's huge.

Office by the way is pretty bad on OS X too, at least on mine. It takes forever to start up (in comparison to pages about 5 times as long) and really slows everything down. When I have pages running it's barely noticeable.

@Izzy - You don't need flash to play Mafia Wars :) I play it just fine on my iPhone... Farmville is another story though...

For the topic at hand, I have disliked flash from the beginning. I have had to work with it professionally and while you can do some really neat stuff with it, it does leak, and cause problems on machines, regardless of OS flavor. When you have to work with the same flash loading over and over again in a development environment, it is even worse...

I for one am extremely happy that Flash is not available on my iPhone. This means that I don't get those annoying take over your entire webpage advertisements. I can get in, and do what I need to do without the distraction from my goal...

I find it somewhat ironic that while Apple may curse flash performance on OS X (maybe even curse flash in general), they wholeheartedly embrace it as one of their advertising platforms. Has no one else seen the huge page take overs they do on sites like cnn.com where they have not 1 but 2 EXPANDABLE flash banners synced together to display their Get A Mac campaign?

Apple may be cursing flash as a resource hog, but they give flash their full vote of confidence as a dynamic advertising platform. As other commenters have stated, big brands require big, interactive advertising.

- Performance - Yes, Adobe got lazy. But given the bad press of late you can be assured they are working triple time to fix it

- Poor implementation/overuse - That's a bit like saying you hate the color red because some people misuse it. Besides, here's one word to consider - iFart. Should we abandon all App development because some apps are pointless and/or suck? Faulty, biased logic in the extreme going on here

- Banner ads - Getting rid of Flash won't change the fact that banner ads are annoying and intrusive. Cutting off the nose to spite the face?

In my opinion, it is the maturity of Flash/Flex from annoying splash screens to a full featured Rich Internet Application platform that has Jobs scared. Flex provides an easy to learn, open source, very robust software-in-a-browser alternative to App Store deployment. Just consider it - if app devs could create equally powerful apps that run not just on the iPhone/iPad, but every other mobile device, web browsers on every OS and full desktop deployment on any OS, using one cheap tool and just one set of code, those devs would abandon the app store overnight and keep Apple's cut for themselves. Flash is, in essence, a huge threat to the app store.

Let us remember that Jobs is saying the same thing about Flash that he said about Blu Ray, and it's no coincidence that BOTH offer alternatives (re: threats) to the iTunes/App store model. I love me some Apple but this is ridiculous, and even more ridiculous that Apple fans would support such a move just because Flash isn't literally perfect in every way. iFart, dude, iFart.