We know what we gained. But what have we lost?

After some research today (amazon, ebay, je.com...) I find that in all places, the older model including the dock and others is cheaper than the newer model without the stuff. So can anyone tell me what makes it worth buying the new model?

Well, that sucks. I was just about to buy the 40 GB model. When I hit apple.com I see their new iPod page load (I know these rotate). When I look at it I see the lone 20 GB model, all by itself as the only "full size" iPod without a color screen. My guess is that apple is using up the last of their monochrome screens in the 20 Gb models and in the near future it will be nothing but color. That kind of sucks. I miss the day when the iPod was a music player. Next thing you know the darn things will have a keyboard and mouse and apple will be calling them a "micro" laptop, or something crazy like that. Erik

Well I don't know about the other models if add the new price of the 60 GB model and add in all the things that were removed it still comes out cheaper. In Canada it worked out to CA$44. I'd say this is good thing. You can essentially build to order only the accessories you need and want and save money. Apple saves money as well by not having to pack accessories that never get used.

Thanks for the tanks, Laurie! And for others who want a bit more info, here are the official Apple part numbers of the new iPod photos versus the old ones... New Models: iPod photo (30GB): Part Number: M9829LL/A iPod photo (60GB): Part Number: M9830LL/A Old Models: iPod photo (40GB w/ Dock and Carrying Case): Part Number: M9585LL/A iPod photo (60GB w/ Dock and Carrying Case): Part Number: M9586LL/A

Here's something odd I noticed on the main page. It proclaims the iPod Mini to be in "Silver and three new colors," when it really isn't. The colors are sharper than before but it's green, blue, pink. No Firewire with the Mini? Booo. When I sell my 3G 15GB I'm keeping everything that came with it.

It's worth noting that the iPod Mini no longer comes with a firewire cable OR a wall adapter.

whoops, but its still not as cool as a normal iPod! the real question should be are they still going to make them?

Apple has been doing this for a while for their ipods... every time they lower prices, they take something away. I find it bizarre that the firewire cable is no longer included....are they perhaps moving over to usb 2.0? It would be a shame if so....

are you on crack? it's right there. http://www.apple.com/ipod/u2/ http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?iPodStore=yes 20 GB U2 iPod, $349.

Good eye, Pedro, yes - I, too, went to the Apple store to order my U2 iPod, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for... Awwwwwww come on, keep those tomatoes in check - somebody had to do it. :)