Build your own x86 Mac

I repair computers,and I always tell clients that if they want a computer that just does what they want it to do to get a mac. I also mention that I would not have much work if they all had macs. But I would still have work. Now that it is going intel getting hardware to fix it will hopefully be easier/cheaper than going through apple. The OS is the Mac, because the hardware is not the best as that is what I repair on Macs, hardware.
The best news is that your user community is about to grow a bunch. When you look for help on a windoze box or Linux you get a lot of hits. Not as much for mac issues (and not because there are not any). So I will be building hardware for OSX to better understand it at the hardware level.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. There is not as was stated an, "intrinsic difference between Apple users and PC users" What should have been said is that it may be possible to categorize personal computer users into two categories. Those who use the pc as a tool and those who use a personal computer as a tool box. Not all windows users are the tinkering type hence there are companies still thriving who sell windows machines as a turn-key solution just like Apple provides with the Apple hardware running the Mac os. However till now the tool box tinkering type have not had option to do their tinkering with Apple computers, or I guess I should say with computers running the Mac os. Now they can. It would also be nice if more Apple/Mac users could recognize that they are PC users. If you use an Apple/Mac draw the distinction between Mac and Windows, or even if you like Apple/Mac and everyone else. If people would stop refering to everything else as PC Apple would stop putting that tom-foolery on there packaging.

I am a consumer, I may or may not be the typical consumer. I use windowz if I have to, *nix because I want to, and mac just because. I like to fancy that I make my own decisions. But I admit Apple does good marketing. I have bought several Apple products. I have friends who build those ridiculous machines with nice paint jobs and neon lights. But you can't fault them for this, any more than you can fault the people (myself I'm sure included) who have made Apple so successful in the past few years. And don't think that Apple is desperately afraid of people running their os on machines they didn't build. It's another market and more exposure. What's at stake? Will the mac os become unstable because it is run on hack-job machines? Sure, at least on those machines. Let Apple worry about that, why do you care. Apple found a way to capitalize on Open Source I'm sure they know what they are doing. And since they will still be supplying Apple computers if you want one in the name of stability go buy it, and let the rest of us hack around with them. As for me I'm gonna go build a mac right now, nice talkin to ya!

Actually, to paraphrase Jobs and clarify his statement: The heart of a Mac is its (it being the NextStep computer) operating system (OpenStep, Darwin, whatever you like to call it.) The early video sluggishness and bugs-a-plenty of OSX and the many apps folks tried to run on it unsuccessfully (Quark et al) were related to creating a fancy video kernel for what was, in all aspects, a processor-independent (ie Yellow Box etc.) OS. Why has Apple promoted (with control) the Darwin Project for X86? To leverage a community that recognizes Darwin's strengths and that recognizes that it was only a matter of time before Apple sold OS for X86. IBM sold hardware, Micro$oft sold OS. Who won? Then there's the deal Gates and Jobs cut. How long did Jobs agree not to release his already 'fully operational death star?' in competition with Windows. Now that DOJ is finished, Gates can't hold Apple hostage with MSOffice.

this subject does matter beacuse: 1. i am not a deeloper of mac software 2. i work in digital recording 3. i am a pc user of 16+ years, 21 years of age(i played cenipede in 8 colors, or what-not). and the since i was thirteen i have known that the mac platform has been more stable than winX since i was 13. 4. i am attending SAE for a audio engineering tech degree, more or less. the idustry that i am going in to embraces macs. i am not the average user but i do need a computer 'to get the work done.' and, most importantly, i can build two PCs that will outrun a G5 in tech specs for the price of a G5 i need but i can't spend $5k on a G5. (i worked in one of those 'PC builder shops' when i was 15-17.) being that, i'm stuck with running a PC/craprosoft until i can intall OSX or whatever it might be by then on my custom machine. also djones/jack, remember, though you may be too mac savy to pay any attention to this... if you buy a 'off the shelf' pc, you are most likely getting krap parts from frapganastan-orea-ia. if you build your own Pc, you might not save much in the average user angle unless you consider that your are not the average mp3 download/rip user and your audio card uses it's own RAM and has ten audio in/out and you use lightpipe to stream multiple chanells of (audio) and your video card suppports 2-3 monitors and uses it own ram and you can instal your PmaC in a rackmount case for ease of use in mobile applications... et cetra. any point made here???

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My god people! They're computers not Jesus! Just pick one and use it. You know people don't bicker like this over chicken or fish.

The concept of building your own PC is archiac at best. Doesn't anyone remember the days 10 or so years ago when there were PC builder businesses all over the place? The main benefit was not the actual building of a machine, but the cost savings. There was a point where getting the parts and hooking them all together yourself DID cost less than buying a new machine. But nowadays most of thise PC builder stores are gone. Why? Becuase the off-the-shelf PCs of today cost less or equal to building your own machine. There's no practical point to building your own machine nowadays. This is highlighted by the amount of stuff you can buy to decorate a PC. Neon lights, clear cases, etc. It's gotten to the point where most PC 'modders' are just repainting their gear or making it superficially look better. Nowadays all anyone wants is a solid machine that they can eventually add more RAM, a larger hard drive and possibly a better CD/DVD drive to. The days of the hardcore builders is gone. Which is why the whole debate about Apple allowing OS X to run on custom rigs is ridiculous. Nobody cares. Add that to the CPU Mhz speed non-issue, and you understand why the move to Intel x86 CPUs is happening. It's simple supply and demand. And the demand to build your own Intel box and sticking OS X on it is not as high as some people claim. Most people simply do not care.

"Steve Jobs stated as recently as last Monday, the heart of the Mac is in its operating system. If this is the case, does it matter which bones it sports? " That's exactly the point I'm making, and the reason I was motivated to post what I did in the first place. Like Dave, I have heard people sit in discussions of Mac vs. PC or Windows vs OS X, etc. to have the PC camp concede every point, and then finish with the "yeah, you're right, but I'd never do it because I can't build the system from the ground up." Or even just "I don't have enough hardware options." People that are focused on the experience of owning _hardware_ are going to be too myopic to notice the experience of _using_ that hardware, i.e. the OS, and the software it inspires. And they are this way by choice. Heck, I used to be one of them. I'm a walking Switch clich鬠and from the overclocking/do-it-yourself/computers-used-to-be-glorified-video-games camp. So people who take the stance of "never a Mac because I can't build it", to me are in the same spot as the "I'm gonna own a Mac, but danggit, I'm going to build it!" that the linked site is. Reading their first post acknowledging how much difficulty they will have even installing the OS on home-selected parts is laughable. The entire point of OS X, and Apple, is that using computers shouldn't be hard. Reverting one step *backward* to making the actual *acquiring* of the computer difficult, is ridiculous. Slightly On-Topic is a fantastic article at Joel On Software regarding the cultural differences of approach to programming on Windows vs. Unix. It does indeed apply, if only to show that, yes, no one individual fits a specific stereotype, but stereotypes exist because en masse... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Biculturalism.html