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Is OSS on OSX just plain wrong?

applevilliansAll I wanted to do was check this list over at NewsForge on "Using open source software on Max OS X." What I found in the comments were some of the most vitriolic anti-Mac sentiments I've ever read. And I read that infamous Mac mini review a couple of times. The contention of several commenters is that Apple has 1) tried to make a profit, and 2) given nothing back to the OSS community.

I can't argue with number one there. Since we live in a capitalist country, it is fairly natural that a company founded by people who like to eat every day would attempt to create value and, gasp, profits for the company. Guilty as charged. I'm not sure why this is inherently evil, but then I never understood that whole Bolshevik thing either. I guess by this logic cars, gas, iPods, Cheetos, floor wax, and movies should be free as well. Good luck on that one gang.

As for number the second, I guess that's the topic for debate. How much has Apple given back? One person comes to their defense, citing Darwin, Konqueror KHTML, and OpenGL. I have to agree with OpenGL, because we really need that. Do we want another Microsoft monopoly (DirectX)? While there was a little controversy around Konqueror a while back, those issues seem to have settled down. Darwin though? Yeah, I guess that's an option. One of the best examples of Apple giving something has to be Rende... uh, Bonjour. While it's still a pretty early stage for the protocol, I feel it has tremendous possibility and has only just begun to be used.

As for the list at NewsForge, it is oddly placed. Apple has nothing to do with Linux. Most of the apps on the list we've mentioned here before: Adium, Growl, Seashore, Clam AV, Pixen, Vienna, Cyberduck, DTV, Smultron, VNC apps, and AppleJack. I can't seem to find Preferential Treatment though... I'm still not sure how OSS on the Mac is bad for OSS. How is it worse than OSS on Windows? And at the end of the day isn't anything not made by Microsoft a Good Thing(tm)?
 

All I wanted to do was check this list over at NewsForge on "Using open source software on Max OS X." What I found in the...
 

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SR

well, thanks to the beautiful mac os 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4, i have gotten curious about linux. so much so that my old pentium 2 shitbox is running suse 9.3 with bittorrent downloading tv shows (very slowly) all day. that's my contribution to anti-capitalism to balance my heinous use of mac os x and winxp64 every day :p

October 16 2005 at 11:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Berkana

Hilarious. You put a ™ after "Good Thing". ^_^ Martha Steward would be proud. If anything, I think the Mac is good for OSS on unix-ish platforms: having BSD unix underneith the shiny Mac interface, I found it easy to explore unix programing and its associated tools (such as emacs, GCC, etc.) on my Mac while studying computer science in college. I would not have been able to do the same if I had been using a windows computer, at least not nearly as easily. I'd have to install Linux or Cygwin or something to even begin, and as a novice, I was not about to take on that risk, but on the Mac, I just open up the terminal, and I have an instant old-school command line interface.

October 16 2005 at 4:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Eddie Sowden

As I was just installing Fink I was reading through the FAQ and it turns out that Apple sometimes even give out pre-release copies of OS X for projects to be ready for them: http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/relations.php?phpLang=en#apple That sounds like they are giving something back to me. I also have to say OSS just looks so much nicer on OS X.

October 16 2005 at 3:00 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Sean

First of all, that Mac Mini "article" is pure humor. Beautiful sarcastic humor. Being a defensive former flag-bearing memeber of the windows-toting anti-mac club (face it, OS9 and earlier sucked), I can say without a doubt that that article is actually more offensive to Windows OEMs than it is to Apple- Making fun of their often bundled legacy hardware and vulnerable software. Anyway- all of the vitrolic commenters on that website are militant linux folk. Only a little worse to me than any other vitrolic platformist (and believe me, I hear comments from everyone being a "switcher"). Unfortunately, most of them are too entrenched in their own little world that they don't realize how difficult it is to build a custom computer and install linux for your average computer user who's just checking email, sharing photos, or looking up recipes on the web. For the money you pay for an Apple computer, you not only get a computer that has a ton of bells and whistles in a sleek package and runs it's apps well, you also get a year of support out of the box. The people writing the OSS versions for OSX (and I definitely applaud them) probably wouldn't be contributing to the community at all if it weren't for OSX. Most people are motivated by their own desires, and are certainly going to develop for the platform that they use themselves. I use GAIM on my linux box at work, GAIM on my windows machines at home, and Adium on my iBook... That said, Adium kicks so much ass over GAIM that it's not even funny. What's the difference? Passion!

October 16 2005 at 2:27 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jason

This is classic: "By leaving out a USB keyboard and monitor, two things you may already have if you have an old Mac, Apple can shave some money off the price of its system components and the size and weight of its packaging. By using cheap Asian labor to assemble the units, costs have been reduced even further. I would like to see them continue this trend, possibly strike a deal with China to use inmates to assemble the Mini for even less, like Lenovo does. "

October 16 2005 at 1:53 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Kevin

Wow, that review of the mac mini is so biassed... "Poor standards compliance: Apple's Safari web browser often fails to render MSN properly." Is msn would script their sites properly... it's like a OS X vs. Windows review on a windowssite

October 16 2005 at 1:20 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
forbin

"There is no Mac version of WeatherBug to check the temperature anywhere in the world. Nor is there a Mac version of helpful web and email enhancers like Hotbar. Or any equivalent of the DealHelper software I use to keep track of my passwords." This is hilarious. The best part though: "Jorge Lopez is a DeVry graduate"

October 16 2005 at 1:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mike Douglas

"Since we live in a capitalist country, it is fairly natural that a company founded by people who like to eat every day would attempt to create value and, gasp, profits for the company." Since when did we live in a capitalist country? Copyright is a government-imposed monopoly, which won't exist in a capitalist society.

October 16 2005 at 1:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dan

how can you read this passage, twice: "So is the mini a maxi value? For me, clearly, no. When I consider that a good deal of my time is spent running applications like Disk Defragmenter, Scandisk, Norton AV, Windows Update and Ad-Aware--none of which are available for the Mac platform--it doesn't make sense for me to "switch" to a Mac at this time." ...and not see the absolute genius of the review! It's better than most stuff at The Onion.

October 16 2005 at 12:59 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Eon

That Mac mini review was a joke. If you look at the other articles on that site, you'll see things like this: http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/appleweek1.html

October 16 2005 at 12:33 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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