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Run Windows on the new Macs

Looks like I may have an answer to Scott's question from yesterday. I'll test this out next week when I walk into an Apple Store and grab my new iMac, but according to a comment yesterday by Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, reported in this MSNBC article, the new Intel-based MacBook Pro and iMac will both be capable of running Microsoft Windows. According to the article, Schiller noted that Apple "won't sell or support Windows itself, but also hasn't done anything to preclude people from loading Windows onto the machines themselves" and they quote him as saying: "That's fine with us. We don't mind. . . . If there are people who love our hardware but are forced to put up with a Windows world, then that's OK."

Nice. Now we just need a program that will let us access our Windows' partitions via OS X.

Thanks, andras!

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Tom Robinson

Apple has said they won't do anything to STOP people from running Windows, that doesn't mean the Intel based Macs WILL run Windows.

January 12 2006 at 10:29 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mark Baker

osmaker: VMware is NOT an emulator. Check out their website.

They just provide a "virtualisation" so that the OS thinks that it is the only thing running, when in fact it may be running 'inside' another OS.

The key point is that the CPU, graphics card, etc are NOT emulated - this is why VMware hasn't been available for the Mac before.

Because it is not emulating the CPU + graphics card the OS runs at very near full speed (there must be *some* overhead, but it's very small I believe).

If you have an x86 machine (running Windows or Linux) you can try out the free VMWare player here: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ to see what I mean. It's rather handy!

January 12 2006 at 4:18 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
John

Apple has restated their position many times: they are first and foremost a hardware company. They develop and sell software to enhance the hardware experience. Leaving their machines open to accept the Windows operating system greatly expands the number of potential users on Mac hardware.

We all know the Mac OS operating system is superior in many ways, but sometimes users MUST run Windows. No sense in alienating that potential market.

January 11 2006 at 5:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
sixhoursago

George #23 and osmaker #33 - Why so hostile? #33 calling people ignorant. Why should we have to do any research or Google anything? These are comments, remember, not articles.

January 11 2006 at 4:30 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Hasan

Here, check this out. It's apparently seamless, just the way you want it :)

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0506intelmac.html

I don't have a monitor that supports more than 1600 x 1200 anyway.

January 11 2006 at 3:07 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Flamsmark

And, if it did work, one way; that is to say: instal win32 on the x86 macs, isn't it likely that it would go the other way too? I'd love to run tiger on something made from off-the-shelf components. Or perhaps on computers that have different dimensions and hardware [yes, drivers, i know] than the default four macs.

January 11 2006 at 1:40 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jason Golden

Patience, we're probably gonna see a how-to in just a couple days. Until you all have one of the new iMacs, just chill out.

January 11 2006 at 1:26 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
osmaker

Darwin/wine are not emulators, and they certainly don't emulate hardware. Virtual PC, VMWare, and Bochs... now those are emulators and they certainly do emulate hardware.

For those of you talking about stuff you are ignorant about (seriously, how hard is it to Google?), DirectX is supported with hardware excelleration on Linux via Transgaming's Cedega (and has been for over two years...) which is a modification of Wine.

What we need is some talented devers with time to get working on Darwine's DirectX support. :)

January 11 2006 at 1:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Sean

For me, to be able to run both OSX and Windows from a single machine would be amazing, and a real deal maker right there. Right now I have an iBook, which I use to do all my internet stuff with, iPhoto, MP3 storage (and iPod syncing), and writing. On my PC, I run Maya Unlimited (can't stand the Mac Maya GUI), After Effects, MonkeyJam, and Windows games- It would be great if I could do all this on the same machine!

For my girlfriend who is an Oracle DBA and a Mac enthusiast... well, she could wrangle her databases from home, and run her OSX apps from the same computer (free up some desk space by getting rid of both that old Pentium III mid tower with 19" monitor and the Snow iMac DV). 20" Intel iMac is her dream machine- if it'll run both os's- hellz yeah!

For my dad, who absolutely has to have a Windows notebook for his government job, but prefers working in OSX for everything not work related- a dual booting MacBook (don't like the name) would be perfect.

My mom, on the other hand, is a Dell loyalist. I've been trying to get her to see the light, but she's already invested over a decade getting comfortable with the windows paradigm- I don't think she'll ever switch.

I think I'll wait for a tablet version tho before I upgrade- For what I use it for, my iBook is perfect- and I don't mind keeping my work and games contained in my office for now...

January 11 2006 at 1:17 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Daniele Nicolucci

I know quite a few people who are curious about Macs (or possibly
really in love with them) who won't buy a Mac just because they have
to work on Windows-only software.nIf some sort of machine
emulator comes up for OSX/Intel - like Bochs, VMWare or whatever -
people wouldn't even really need to mess up with the partitions of
the new Macs, they'd just install it and run their software into a
safe island right inside OS X. And if the windows installation gets
destroyed by viruses or something, at most they'll render the
virtual disk (which I suppose would just be a disk image)
inusable.nnMaybe Microsoft itself could come up with such a
thing, since they already own VirtualPC and they have all the interest
in people buying windows licenses, as they don't mind what you run
them on (virtual or real machines are equally fine as long as you buy
windows)...

January 11 2006 at 12:55 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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