OSX86 Forums Closed by DMCA Violation Notice

This offers some insight into Apple's business strategy. This action by Apple should somewhat diminish the arguments that Apple may one day lease Mac OS X to other computer manufacturers, such as Dell. Instead, it seems Apple will be taking the route of tacitly allowing users to get other OS's running on Apple hardware, such as Windows and Linux.

> Have you ever purchased a car? Are you able to do
> anything you want with that car? Of course not! We
> have laws that stipulate how the car is to be driven,
> registered, licensed, insured.
There is a difference between what you can do with a car and what you can do with a car on a "public road".

I can buy a car and smash it to bits if I want. I can buy a car, put it in my backyard and sleep in it. I can probably ship it to another country. If I decide I want to drive on a public road *that's* when the restrictions come in.

LOL @ Alex. Do you see a flag saying "Steal our stuff! Ruin our company!" there? I don't. Apple was using the word 'pirate' to mean a relaxed work environment and a creative atmosphere. It has always SOLD its products. There wasn't an invitation to the kind of piracy you are advocating in 1983 and there isn't now.

The kind of self-serving song and dance you fellows are doing works at your sites because you are talking to fellow travelers. It will not work here because TUAW demographic is more diverse, including plenty of adults who don't mind PAYING for quality computers and software.

is this the same Apple Computers that this article is about?!

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Pirate_Flag.txt

Plenty of cretins babbling nonsense on this one, but let's go with Phil:

"This isn't a question of "OH THEY ARE HACKING ILLEGALS", this is about being able to use software that you've purchased in any way you like. I have legal copies of 10.4, 10.3, and 10.2. I should be able to use them however I want."

Tain't so. You bought Apple software to use on an Apple computer. You are completely free to buy Microsoft software to use on a Windows computer. (And, of course, Windows apps that run on Macs, or vice versa. Linux? Go for it.) But, you are claiming that simply by buying one $100 application, you are purchasing the right to use it on other computers. That's not even true regarding any other Macs you might own.

We had a discussion of self-centered people with entitlement complexes during the great Mac Book Pro Whinefest. This discussion has brought out more of that ilk.

I took time to pop into the blogs of some of our the hack-a-Mac supporters. Interestingly, some of the people telling us what American laws should or shouldn't allow are. . .Brits. Guess they think we're still their subjects or something.

It's a real shame - Luckily Maxxus's site is still alive. .. waiting for the SSE2 update on 10.4.4. - I probably needed the forum to troubleshoot it though. BTW I would have put it on the only PC in the home network - to ensure OSX domination.

It was never gonna be perfect on a generic PC - however, what it did was give people 'stuck' (yes stuck - not everyone has money to plonk down for a new Mac at all times in their lives) with PC boxes a chance to get the feel for (and like) OS X. The effort involved was never gonna be worth it for professionals (no support, download 6GB OS for every update - nothing guarenteed working = no competition for Apple). Very few would by a PC box for a OS with no guarantee they would be able to install it. It would've be used on converting previously aquired Windows Boxes.

I guess (hope) Apple is not going to get to nasty on those guys (like the famous Tiger sharers) and the project will appear elsewhere.... The messages Apple left for the hackers seemed like encouragement to me.

Who really cares... cheap bastards who wont go out and spend their money on hardware and software that runs stright out of the box with OSX86.

DMCA = Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Google it.

"7. Good Riddance. Anyone who is deluded enough to think that they can FORCE Apple to change the way they do business (and to subsequently kill the mac platform by releasing it to generic PCs) by BREAKING THE LAW is extremely deluded."

You sir, are a damned idiot. We never, even remotely claimed that we were trying to get Apple to change it's ways. Do you honestly think our stragey was "Well, let's get a few buddies together and attempt to hack the OS. When that's done, Apple will HAVE to make it available to the standard PC Market!"

Quite the difference. If anything, Apple letting this happen for so long was wonderful. They're getting quite a lot of business from people who would never consider getting a Mac in the past. While I own two homebuilt PC's myself, I don't ignore my iBook nor my iMac, and will be having my Intel MacBook delievered in the next few weeks. If I hadn't spent so much time with the Project, there is no way that I would have wanted to purchase a MacBook, however, after doing some studying of the sheer power of OSx86 on a beige box, I was completely sold on the idea. I know of many people as well who simply got the OS to run, but found it too problematic to fix. Though, seeing what it was capable, a good many of them went out and purchased either Mac Mini's or iBooks. From what I read, and from who I talked to, they absolutely loved the first-party Mac experiance.

So don't bash everyone involoved with the project. If anything, be quite happy. Another reason to celebrate the work of the Project is the Security issues that Maxxus found. Imagine if a hacker had found out the same information and decided to use it malicously against one of your computers? Maxxus did a great favor for Apple in showing them just how to beef up their defenses.

to #14:
Hacking OS X to work on generic hardware doesn't hurt any of us personally. But you're a complete idiot if you think anybody went out and bought a copy of 10.4 just so they could get it to boot on their PC.

EULA's are shaky at best, and completely unenforcable at worst.