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Jason said 2:14PM on 3-19-2006
Now the big question is: how fast and how stable is XP on the Apple hardware?
Also, how many hardware drivers are still unsupported? I trust they'll be whittled down quickly by determined geeks, but it'd be interesting to know how many drivers automatically worked and how many have to be hacked into operation.
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Eric Carroll said 2:28PM on 3-19-2006
Sorry I have been out of town and away from the internet for a few days, so I haven't read all the news on this...
I guess it kind of goes with what Jason was saying, but does it take full advantage of the graphics card and all that? Could I literally play Counter Strike on it? Wireless work out of the box? Can anyone point me to an article that tells you which (if any) features don't work after installation of WIndows when running in Windows?
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Call Me Stupid said 2:44PM on 3-19-2006
Dual boot does very little for people who want to be productive, rebooting every time is a huge drain when you need something that is Windows only (SAP, Remedy, RNT, RSA SecureID). I need VPC, VMWare, Xen or plan B something even better. Wine would be nice, but I'd like to keep the viruses in their own space.
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maz said 2:50PM on 3-19-2006
Over the years of computing and having to use various desk tops to do my job I've come to actually hate dual booting. I see no real purpose for it. You have to wait for the box to shut down then reboot, go through a boot loader and load up what ever the new operating system is. In mission critical times this can cause quite a head ache, especially if you have to switch between applications fast in order to get something done.
In the past I have always used two machines, one for a unix (solaris and linux) and one for windows (for those god damn activex applications). Getting used to your KVM short cuts helps drastically in swapping between machines and after a little time you're just used to switching around as fast as you can with applications. One thing I like about virtual PC is it takes a lot of that out, though I have yet to use it as every application I work with now is totally cross platformable. That helps with my productivity as a unix and network engineer.
I highly doubt I would ever install XP on the next mac I get over the summer. I so rarely play games that you cannot play on OS X (I've only played warcraft 3 and it's expansion over the past three years) so windows is really moot to me.
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Galen D. W. said 2:57PM on 3-19-2006
I personally wouldn't use any of this. I just don't have any Windows apps that I would use that I can't get for the Mac. (The exception is Yahoo! Widgets for Windows. I use it for testing. But for testing, it is best to run them where most people would, on a Windows computer.)
However, I can see why some people would want Windows on their Mac. If you have one or two Windows apps you have to use, this is great.
I wouldn't give up on Virtual PC so soon though. If you just have to run one app, rebooting to do so would be a pain. What would be great is if Microsoft's next version of VPC would run similarly to the way Mac OS Classic did. There is no "window" with the Windows environment it it. The Windows windows just commingle with the rest of your Mac OS X windows. This would make it very easy for those people who have to run a Windows app or two to do so on the Mac.
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iFelix said 3:08PM on 3-19-2006
Here's a question that needs to be asked.
What about heat?
How does using XP affect the heat and cooling.
Is the control of heat in the hardware or is it OS related?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
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markie said 3:14PM on 3-19-2006
Of course, I understand the motivation to try and do this. ...because it's possible, but really, now it's been done, I have a hard time taking anybody seriously who's gonna run Windows on a MacBook Pro... If you're saying you *need* windows, you're not trying hard enough to try something else... (imho of course ;-))
...and really, I know there out there, guys who are gonna run windows only on these things, I mean... uh?
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BrianP said 3:39PM on 3-19-2006
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but does this dual-boot solution work only with XP? I'd rather dual boot to Windows2000, if anything.
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Joshua Ochs said 4:07PM on 3-19-2006
If you really want to know how functional/grim things are, check this link:
http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Drivers
For instance, as of this writing, no ATI video drivers for you!
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XIV said 4:09PM on 3-19-2006
This effort will have to be renewed when Vista will come out ?
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iFelix said 4:25PM on 3-19-2006
In terms of heat I have now read the following
According to many threads on osx86project.org, the MacBook Pro fans (and other Intel Macs' fans) run via a firmware chip on the board, and don't require any software interaction - so far, everyone's agreed, and they have said they can hear the fans regulating themselves.
So the OS used is irrelevant.
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Reid Ellis said 7:02PM on 3-19-2006
Hey #9 -- the MacBookPro doesn't have an ATi card, so no worries there.
And I thought it was only the ATi X1600 that had no drivers.
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roobois said 7:57PM on 3-19-2006
@ Reid Ellis:
ummm, the MacBook Pro does have an ATI card... its called the ATI Mobility Radeon X1600.
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/graphics.html
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dan said 8:47PM on 3-19-2006
does the camera work on xp?
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Alex said 1:26AM on 3-20-2006
What do you people want to use Windows for anyway? If you want to simply play a particular game, then a dual boot seems to make sense. If you are in a work environment and need to use windows programs sometimes, and be productive at work, this is NOT a solution. What's the point of closing down your machine and rebooting to simply look up a purchase order in SAP for example, then reboot back into OSX to do the rest of your work? Just get a Windows machine and deal, or get VPC.
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Toby Stevens said 4:26AM on 3-20-2006
XP dual booting is perfect for me. I have a Mac-only company, and need to use a Powerbook for mobility; but because my biggest client is Windows only (no chance of being allowed to connect a Mac to their network) I have to carry two laptops around. Virtual PC was not an option in terms of compatibility or speed. I, like many, now have the chance to ditch that unwanted PC and just carry a single machine...
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mungler said 4:58AM on 3-20-2006
dual boot IS a good idea, for 'applications' such as Half Life 2, Counter Strike Source.... etc etc.
virtualization solutions will no doubt follow.
so dont worry, be happy.
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Kirk Rheinlander said 8:36AM on 3-20-2006
As far as not needing Windows - if you have to live in [most] corporate environments, Windows is mandatory. Short sighted individuals, companies and vendors (many major players too) have exploited proprietary features of Windows, both desktop and server.
I use a PB12 in this environment, and VPC is, in most cases, required fare. Dual booting is fine if you are going to spend a couple hours playing a game, but personally, I just want to access the corporate resources that are restricted from my beloved Mac platform. (OK, so this is blasphemy from someone that was on the development team for the original PC, but personally, I don't have the time or patience for the problematic Windows environment, unless forced to be there).
Dual boot is extremely limiting. Once I get to Windows, I would probably stay there for a significant block of time. Kinda' defeats the benefits of all the OS X niceities.........
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greatslack said 4:47PM on 3-20-2006
@ #6
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/20/will-xp-melt-your-mac/
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Paul Bryan said 1:24AM on 4-07-2006
Non Universal apps (Photoshop) run twice as fast in XP than OSX on the MBP. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.
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