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svds said 9:14AM on 6-13-2006
Compare this $50 to $100 a month to the average salary in China and you'll be surprised how much these people make.
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Thor said 9:16AM on 6-13-2006
Yeah I think people should consider what the wages are in China, rather than comparing it directly to the U.S. and in that currency.
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Mephistophelian said 9:23AM on 6-13-2006
$50 - $100 a month doesn't sound like a lot to us but it is enough to sustain the factory workers or they wouldn't be there. It's all relative.
Is this another cheap shot at Apple?
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William said 9:49AM on 6-13-2006
It's interesting how all three posts previous to mine are somehow knowledgeable on average Chinese wages. But I myself will not make it four.
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andrew said 9:51AM on 6-13-2006
mephisophelian, your comment of "but it is enough to sustain the factory workers or they wouldn't be there" is not totally applicable. (ie - mcd's and/or people who work multiple jobs to try to stay afloat, or the need for dual income families) i lived in china for about 6 months, and while things there are very inexpensive, i do think the article's author does not provide enough perspective due to the need for "shock value"
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Chris Murphy said 9:55AM on 6-13-2006
iPods are just like hamburger:
Everyone buys and enjoys it - but no one wants to know how it's made.
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Carl Trimble said 10:01AM on 6-13-2006
I thought they were made in california by chinese people. Either way, I don't care just as long as they come out with a different more better one every six months. Cuz I can't find anything better to do with my $399.99
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tush said 10:20AM on 6-13-2006
Great Carl Trimble, spoken like a true American consumer.
How about give that $399 to someone less fortunate? Oh no, that would be stupid, it's YOUR money!
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Alex said 10:21AM on 6-13-2006
It's far from ideal, but hey Apple is just another company trying to make some money. Now let's have a couple of stories slagging off Dell and HP please TUAW team.
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timothy said 10:32AM on 6-13-2006
@tush
How about someone less fortunate get a job?
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Rutger said 10:38AM on 6-13-2006
It doesn't matter that the salary is ok if you compare it to other chinese wages. What matters is that workers worldwide are the victim of corporate pressure on governments to create low-wages, no-union sweatshop zones. That's criminal IMHO.
Instead of nurturing longterm positive development of economies, multinationals are constantly moving factories to countries with lower and lower wages. meanwhile profits are soaring and people all over the world are in debt and can't afford to feed themselves
Call me a commie, but this is just bad karma. To close your eyes to this is ignorant and shortsigthed, this policy already has effect on American and European workers too, I see it happening in Holland. IT-outsourcing anyone?
We need solidarity, not competition.
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Z! said 10:43AM on 6-13-2006
This happens in the auto industry, in clothing industry, etc, etc. For crying out loud... I sometimes spend almost 50€ going out at night for a few beers with my friends... This just doesn't seem right, but it's a sign of modern times and globalization. Some get everything other get nothing.
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tush said 10:48AM on 6-13-2006
Timothy,
You do realize that it's not easy for poverty stricken/homeless people to get a job. Sure, it sounds easy for us people who have all the luxuries in the world, just look up some job listings in the local newspaper and go get some interviews.
What about people who have always been in poverty? People who haven't had the chance to finish school, or even go at all. They could get a menial job, and a lot of them have. But in a lot of cases, those menial jobs aren't enough to support a person, let alone a family. There are people that have 2 or even 3 jobs that still are under the poverty line.
Sure, you're partially right. I'm positive that there are people who are in poverty that could get jobs, but don't let those few people influence your stereotyping.
Remember, stereotyping is ok as long as you're open to the fact that many people will not fall into the stereotype.
With love,
Tush
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Ken said 11:19AM on 6-13-2006
Companies benefit from being able to manufacture their products in China or other Asian countries. And, hypothetically, users benefit from low prices, too.
I just wonder about why western people complain about "evil communism" in China, at the same time they (we) use the system for cheap working hands with minimum rights; too many working hours, military camp conditions, etc.
I also wonder whether consumers really have good prices because of all this. I mean, how much would an iPod (or anything "designed in US, made in China") cost if it had to be built inside US?
Prices are not only defined by manufacturing costs, but also by demand for a product.
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Jason said 11:23AM on 6-13-2006
I'm suprised Al Gore lets this go on knowing his strong stance against this sort of thing. Though at the same time I'm not suprised. It would be nice to see something done with the government of China which is really the problem not Apple. China doesn't take care of their people as well as America does which is why this sort of thing can happen. And this isn't even that bad of a circumstance, I know it's much worse in other countries with other companies. I just don't understand why everyone is so quick to blame the corporations rather then the problem (bad government). Thats my $0.02.
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Dave Zaffrann said 11:36AM on 6-13-2006
Tush & Rutger - thanks for posting what I had in mind so I didn't have to.
I know anything that can even remotely be perceived as an attack on Apple is tantamount to heresy on this blog, but it's important to know and see that Apple is not necessarily any "better" a company than any other when it comes to sharing its profits with its employees - and by employees I mean ALL its workers, subcontracted or not, American or not, white-collar or not.
To be honest, I don't really expect Apple to act any differently since they must react to the Wal-Mart economy like everyone else. But I do find it disappointing.
I only hope that they live up to their image as a progressive company (like the Rosa Parks memorial frontpage last year, for example) in other ways.
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timothy said 11:44AM on 6-13-2006
@Tush
Actually, I agree with you. My earlier post was a bad attempt at a joke. Thanks for coming back with an intelligent post, though...those are few and far between these days.
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Jonathan said 11:49AM on 6-13-2006
"$50 - $100 a month doesn't sound like a lot to us but it is enough to sustain the factory workers or they wouldn't be there."
"There" being the factory, where they LIVE. Jesus. Yes. Sounds lovely.
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tush said 11:58AM on 6-13-2006
It's all good, Timothy. Sarcasm tends to get lost over the internet...
I am glad that this conversation ended up being interesting and we didn't have a whole lot of ridiculous comments.
I agree with Dave and Rutger, both of their comments were interesting and worthwhile. Although the only people would call Rutger a "commie" would be people who didn't understand what communism actually is.
I say stars for everyone! :)
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John M. said 12:21PM on 6-13-2006
Why is it when we read about "sweatshops" it's always "women and children" who are exploited. When do you hear about men working in sweatshops? And don't tell me it's because they don't.
Apple doesn't build anything. They rely on contract manufacturers such as Foxconn and Flextronics. If these stories are true, the should be the ones taking the heat. I don't want to be too specific here, but I do work in this industry and can tell you stories of workers being forced to shop at the "company store" or live in "company housing" at inflated prices is outright bull$h!t.
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