TUAW Poll: Do you use your phone as an MP3 player?
Last night I posted about a kinda kooky article predicting the iPod's future doom at the merciless hands of MP3-playin' cell phones. Well, that got me to thinking: how many people actually use their phones as MP3 players? To come to a wholly scientific and 100% accurate conclusion, I'm posting this poll, and I ask -- nay, demand -- that all answer accordingly. And see more thoughts (and reader comments of note) on the topic after the jump.The question of whether the iPod's dominance will be eradicated by the budding popularity of music-on-the-phone is after all a very valid issue. Since many readers skip right over most posts' comments, I've included some of the most notable from last night's discussion, which include some great insight.
"I also have an MP3 playing phone, but would never use it for that purpose. Storage is too limited, the MP3 functions are poorly implemented, and transferring songs to it is a pain" -- tim
Very true, tim. I've fiddled with a few MP3 phones (a SLVR, one or two Windows Mobile devices, etc.), and they all share a common theme: working them is a royal pain. Everything, from copying music to listening to that music is tedious and full of unnecessary hassle. Even the SLVR, which communicates directly with iTunes, can be frustrating to set up if you don't get it exactly right the first time (and the iTunes phone interface itself is dog slow). Not to mention the storage problem...
"It all depends on what you decide to compare the iPod to (and why).
If you decide to sum up all MP3 playing devices, you should add:
COMPUTERS!!! (notebooks, portables and even desktops)
Cell phones
Car MP3 players
PDAs
Gaming devices that happen to play music, too
etc...
The comparison gets even harder as new iPods emerge. What will you compare a video iPod to? a portable DVD? a PDA?" -- Ken
That's true -- the article says Apple fails to include all portable MP3 players. A laptop is a portable MP3 player, is it not?
"Phones have Camera's too but I don't see people throwing away there £300 cannons to use there VGA quality camera pics." -- WinMacLin
Hmph. Why didn't I think of that?
"Can TUAW and everybody else please put a dead stop to giving Thurrott more attention? Thurrott this. Thurrott that. He says whatever to get attention, over and over again. I really don't understand it any more why this guy even gets an ounce of spotlight ... and most people are absolutely sick of him and the resulting debates / forum threads / blog entries etc. like these." -- icerabbit
Paul Thurrott is a respected industry pundit. People read and believe what he says. And to dispute something he writes is not hate mongering or unnecessary promotion -- it's encouraging debate on viable topics. While I don't always agree with him, I respect him and his insight -- and some things are certainly worth debating.
"I have to say that since I got my Samsung A900, I've stopped carrying my iPod on a daily basis. I started listening to podcasts on my commute and found that my phone handles this task quite well. I have an AppleScript that converts the podcasts to AAC and then I move them over to the phone via bluetooth. I have to carry the phone anyway and it's much smaller than my 3G iPod - about the same size as a Nano." -- Kilgore
I should give that phone a try. I think if the phone manufacturers can make the MP3 functionality simple and, you know, functional, they may have a chance at dethroning King 'Pod.
"Thurott doesn't go far enough - what about people who spontaneously burst into song? They are in effect a human Mp3 player - so, the ipod share goes lower - especially if you count insane people. As the Earth rotates, millions of people actually turn off their ipod to go to sleep - that's a market share loss every night! Potentially millions of those people could have a horrible nightmare and want to buy a WMA 128k flash player the next morning! Again, more market share losses." -- jbelkin
Have you ever considered a job in market share analysis?
"It all about the software. iTunes + iPod = simple." -- AC
Bingo!
"About the 14% market share. I assume you are willing to accept that musicphones are a fair rival to iPods, as Apple's own CFO Peter Oppenheimer just two days ago said so, and he felt the SonyEricsson Walkman phone is getting rather close to iPods - but of course not as good. Also Oppenheimer admitted Apple is planning an iPod phone." -- Tomi Ahonen
Whoa there, buddy. They didn't admit anything. They said they weren't 'sitting around doing nothing,' which could mean anything from product research to testing to brainstorming. Apple brainstorms and builds a lot of products it later trashes.
I agree, an Apple phone is almost inevitable: the market trend is clear, undoubtedly. Cell phone MP3 players are on the rise. It's obvious.
The issue here, though, is the horrible interpretation of market share data in that article. Apple's numbers are accurate, according to their parameters. If you want to include "all portable MP3 players," you would have to include laptops, PSPs, MP3-playing Walkman CD players, PDAs, etc. Apple's numbers are specifically focused on devices designed specifically to play music -- the iPod et al. And in that market, they're still King.
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Last night I posted about a kinda kooky article predicting the iPod's future doom at the merciless hands of MP3-playin' cell phones. Well,...
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Im sure that the Sony MP3 Phones will dominate the market on where iPods are the current leader. Have u checked out the new generation of Sony MP3 phones? Lets take an example, the new K800i. Works as a 3.2MP Camera, a phone, an RSS reader, a push mail client and an mp3 player.
When Im driving in my car, I connect my K800i to my tape deck and while Im driving, if a phone call comes in, the song fades out and I have a surround sound phone call from my car, and when Im done the song just fades back in. I think this is priceless.
Im sure some of us has been in that situation where you go to a gym but have to bring your ipod and mp3 player, but would still be missing calls because you were having too much fun listening to your ipod that you didnt hear that important incomming call.
The sony W810 phone is capable of having up to 4GB of space, comparable to an iPod Nano but with phone features (and did I mention what you can do with your mac and blue phone elite?). Definitely a threat for apple unless they release some nice revisions of those nano's with new functions this aug 7 (WWDC).
I LOVE my phone- Sharp V902SH- for music. I never used an iPod while I had it- why spend more when I already have the functionality well-implemented on my phone? SD expansion for storage, playlist control, what more would I want(I don't WANT an equalizer)? Battery life is no problem- I charge it every night and that will do just fine. I only started using an iPod shuffle for 2 reasons- I lost my phone, and it was a gift from my sister.
July 23 2006 at 9:19 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI use my Nokia as an mp3 player, works fine and sounds fantastic. Also, easy enough to sync to iTunes:
http://www.s60tips.com/2006/07/22/synchronizing-music-files-and-podcasts-from-itunes-to-s60-phones/
I'd love a new iPod, but its senseless paying out an extra £200 for something my phone can do already.
(phones are coming with 8 gig hard-drives...)
I need a phone/organiser. I want a music player.
So I buy a Phone and find it plays mp3/aac pretty well. I no longer need a seperate music player.
I could put a 4GB SD card in my PDA/Phone today and have a very capable media player. Admittedly Windoze Media Player is the most frustrating UI ever but these things will improve and then the iPod market will suffer. I suspect the new phones like the w810i are significantly better than WMP and so it'll be SonyEricsson and not Apple you'll be providing my next music player (unless that iPhone appears in the next 6 months!)
yeah, when i say i predict that im meaning that mp3 players, cameras (not pro ones) and phones that only do one thing will be obsolete. you'll only be able to buy a device that does it all.
yeah some devices do it now, but they do it pretty badly. i had a k750i with 1gb memory, it did it all but it was crap. battery life takes a serious hit aswell.
my friend has that nokia 4gb thing, and my god its hideous (sp?). feels really cheap and tacky, and its the size of a brick. my ipod and chocolate are a lot smaller together. we're getting close but its still very early and being done badly
@ steve
u can just change the settings to rip to mp3 on itunes
and select all and right click
press convert songs to mps
thats what i do for my 8 gig psp
and 1 gig internal 1 gig external motorolla verizon vcast phone
I also got the w800i phone/mp3 player and will NEVER buy an ipod!! Batt. life is great (2 days), sound quality Great (deep bass), easy to use (one button push goes to mp3 mode), 2g card (more than enough songs/video storage), compatibility (bluetooth & infra red), internet and separate phone memory remains useful for phone only items. This TRUE phone/Mp3 player is awesome and truly is a well thought out all in one, plus a 2megapix camera with moving lens!!!! Awesome picture quality! Ipod cant touch my W800i!!!!
When its through ill purchase an upgrade to it (The K790a has a 3.2 megapix camera, image stabilization, EDGE hi speed internet, and smaller card for memory (memory stick micro). All that in addition to being a great mp3 player. I cant see spending all that money on 3 separate pieces, phone, mp3 player, camera, when sonyericcson does an excellent job of combining them into one neat purposeful package. I say purposeful because sonyericcson, unlike other pda's and cell phones, designed these phones as dedicated music players/phones! Ill say it again I WILL NEVER PURCHASE AN IPOD OR OTHER MP3 DEVICE!
I use my phone as an mp3 player, but not by choice. If both my iPod's hadn't been stolen, I doubt I would have a single mp3 file on my phone. It just isn't a good experience. Imagie a windows mobile device not being able to sync with windows media player? Not to mention the sound quality leaves much to be desired.
the iPod rules, and for very good reason!
SE W900i w/2gig mem stick (there's 470MB in the phone). Interface isn't as clean, but it's certainly more convenient when walking to work and having to lug around multiple devices. Sounds quality is excellent. About the only time I use my iPod anymore is on those 15hr flights to asia...
I'm definitely in favor of all-in-one devices. I'd always use my cell phone instead of my iPod if it weren't crap with one exception: excercise. I'll never use a device that costs more than $100 when there is a significant chance that I'll break it.
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