lol, liberal hippies ruin it for everyone.

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I wonder if the event director for MacExpo did it the Cartman way. Got rid of them with a fire exstinguisher and/or locked them in the basement.

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While I tend to be in favour of a lot of the protests that environmentalist groups stage sometimes I do get the feeling that certain factions are only out to get attention any way possible...

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Before this thread errupts into the usual unproductive left-wing/right-wing name calling, I think it's important to remember that the concerns that greenpeace are bringing up are important, and I think any reasonable person would agree that reducing toxic waste is something that all manufacturers should strive for. I'm not a big fan of Greenpeace's antics, which I think do more harm than good. (Look at Peta... makes all animal lovers seem like nut jobs) If you take reasoned look at it however, like most things, it's not a right/left issue. It's just the fringe of of right/left that make it look that way.

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With my loyalties to both the environment and Apple, I am torn in this case. I do think Greenpeace has a point, and I don't think the tactics described above go beyond "annoying" to "radical," as some of their others have done in the past. There is something powerful in disrupting, on whatever level, a gathering of self-satisfied accolytes of a cause, and if it had been, say, the Republican Convention, I would have been all for it. As much as I love the company, perhaps it is best that Apple, with all of its recent successes, is kept humble as it simultaneously takes over the world.

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It figures. A bunch of environmental activists handing out paper brochures decrying the waste of natural resources... If they're going to single out a corporation for their rape of the environment, why don't they pick on Sony? Think of all of those laptop batteries that are going to need to be properly disposed of.

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David,

So as long as it doesn't conflict with your personal views your okay with protesting. Haha... thats freedom of speech if I ever heard it.

i dont like the fact that greenpeace did what they did... and they broke their contractual agreement which means they should be booted... they sign the contract so they knew what they were doing when they were taking photos acting like morons ect...

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David,

If you're an environmentalist, then Greenpeace is NOT your friend. They stage publicity stunts to raise money, while giving the whole environmental movement a reputation of irresponsibility. Getting thrown out of the Mac Expo is typical of their tactics; they knew exactly what they were doing, and you can see that they've gotten vastly more publicity this way than if they'd actually honored their contract with the Expo management.

If you want to help the environment, contribute to your local organizations, not the multi-national funding sponges.

-jcr

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Shouldn't the headline read The aclleged Reason Greenpeace was ejected from MacExpo? Especially since there's no indication that Greenpeace was asked to comment on/refute the charges by Denton.

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Yeah, I can totally see what's wrong with being funny and giving out Apples.
By the way, Steve S. it turns out that Greenpeace conducted an INDEPENDANT study that showed that Apple polluted a lot more than Sony. Thta's the reason they're going after Apple.

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John and JCR: I thought the thrust of my message was that, while I disagree with Greenpeace's actions, I understood their impulse to perform them.

John, your interpretation of my message must have come from somewhere inside your own tortured soul. Although I was mostly referring to this one situation, I wrote in general terms about the right to disrupt any event. Obviously, I'll use as an example one I agree with, but I said nothing that would lead a reasonable person to the conclusion you made. Practicing what I preach, I shall not ascribe any sort of motive to your error.

JCR, I don't elevate Greenpeace to any heroic proportions, but the fact is, as you note, they are very good at generating attention to their cause. Having studied such movements from all around the political spectrum, it seems there is a time the life cycle of any cause for just such antics that will generate publicity, positive and negative. I think any such thing must be taken with a huge grain of salt, as I don't see publicity stunts as something to get worked up over. As John so astutely pointed out, I happen to agree with Greenpeace's message, but I say the same thing about, say, the Westboro Baptist Church. If one passionately agrees with a cause, it's not a difficult maneuver to applaud a group like Greenpeace for raising awareness of a message while simulateneously condemning their methods. It's called triangulating, and it happens all the time.

Apple has the opportunity to triangulate here, too, and I hope they take it. It would be a shame if they lost touch with the concerns of the people who support them.

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Greenpeace has been radical for a long time. Some might even call them a terrorist organization. For instance, did you know that they stick metal spikes into the trunks of trees in the rainforest? When someone takes to the tree with a chainsaw, the blade hits the metal, and the chainsaw ricochets backwards and injures or kills the operator. It's sad when an organization is more concerned with the preservation of plant life than that of human life.

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I don't know why they always seem to have to go overboard with this sort of stuff, it really reflects poorly on them as an organization. While I think their ideals are a good one (in a very general sense), the way they seem to go about it leaves something to be desired.

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Agreed with the above comment. Knowing nothing previously about Greenpeace, this type of publicity does not give them any credibility or cause me to want to support their cause. Their actions speak louder than words, so I question the integrity of their organization, not environmental movements as a whole.

If the media didn't feed consumers with every bit of crap they could get their hands on, this publicity stunt would have been worthless. It's only because we publish it on a blog that they get any attention for it at all. Sure maybe it's raised awareness a little, but at what cost to the bigger picture?

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"For instance, did you know that they stick metal spikes into the trunks of trees in the rainforest? When someone takes to the tree with a chainsaw, the blade hits the metal, and the chainsaw ricochets backwards and injures or kills the operator."

Riiiggghht. Tree spiking has always been fully disclosed to logging companies, and there has never been a reported injury or death to a logger attempting to cut down a spiked tree.

Yes, Greenpeace represents the worst and least accountable of the environmental movement (which is why Paul Watson left to found Sea Shepherd), but let's keep away from blatant lies and generalizations about the environmental movement, who after all, are trying to protect the planet from the REAL lunatics who will trample over anything (planet, animals, humans, the future) in the short-sighted quest for a better fiscal quarter.

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"Alleged"? They're not in a court of law... yet.

While I agree with some of the things they're saying - we should do what we can to preseve what we've got... (In very simple terms: Don't s**t where you eat.) GP has very bad habits which drive me to go find the old McDonald's styrofoam containers and pray to them.

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David said..."I wrote in general terms about the right to disrupt any event."

Let's be clear -- no one has "the right to disrupt any event". In fact, I'd say people have the right to hold an event they expend their effort to plan and organize, without disruption. Just because you think you have something important to say doesn't give you the right to get in people's face about it. To speak about it, yes, but there are responsibilities that go along with them that are often forgotten (usually by PETA, Greenpeace, Anti-Abortion groups, and other holier-than-thou moralizers).

To interfere with someone else's right to assemble is called "civil disobedience". If you choose that route then you also must be willing to accept the consequences of infringing on others' rights.

In other words, Greenpeace had every right to SPEAK their minds. But when they chose to interfere with others' rights to speak and assemble then they lost their right.

And bitching about it demonstrates a breathtaking level of ignorance about the true meaning of rights and of freedom.

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Greenpeace was ejected for the same reasons why they choose to pick on Apple in the first place. Publicity. Apple is supposedly the 4th "ungreen" company, yet you don't hear news stories about the other three. Everyone knows Apple is a total press darling, so they choose to pick on Apple more to bring awareness. They were obviously being a little rowdy here so that the press would cover this story as well. Sure, it makes them look bad to most people, but others will still think Apple is a dumping toxic sludge in the ocean or something.

Fishes,
narco.

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I think that they wouldn't have been sent home had they not started circling Apple's booth in their Zodiacs.

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Scott: Yes, I believe in the right of civil disobedience. I also believe in the consequences of civil disobedience. I also believe in the right for people to gather, completely unmolested, and promote and celebrate whatever ideals they hold dear.

We live in a complicated world.

Mostly I believe that, as much as possible, people should be informed about the ramifications of their actions and habits. Civil disobedience is one way of accomplishing that.

If Greenpeace is correct, it's possible that the ramifications for owning a shiny new Mac is a little more environmental devastation in the world. I own eleven shiny new Macs (or relatively shiny and new), and that's something for me to think about. I also own several hundred shares of AAPL. Now I can make a more informed decision about what I want to do.

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