Sandvox updated to 1.1

Sandvox uses WebKit for editing, whereas iWeb does not. That might account for some of the differences.

From what I've seen, Sandvox produces far cleaner code than iWeb does. If anyone follows the links to a few of the "happy users' sites" from Karelia's site (menu on left side at top) and takes a look at the source of the pages, then I think he'd have to agree that the code is better than what iWeb writes.

iWeb's HTML would likely go through the W3C validator, but that's really not the point. It is totally unstructured and some of the most non-"semantic" code I've seen. It doesn't even use paragraph tags. Essentially, it produces wasteful mark-up and mark-up that would not be easy for someone else to maintain at a later date by hand, if that were necessary.

If you point this tool -

http://www.w3.org/2003/12/semantic-extractor.html

- at a well-written semantically-rich webpage it can extract plenty of useful information. Try it with access-guy Joe Clarke's blog:

http://blog.fawny.org/

Or with this well marked-up text of an Orwell essay:

http://www.aubp41.dsl.pipex.com/essays/orwell.html

Then try it on an iWeb page. I'll guarantee you won't get such useful output.

Extractable semantics at this level would be too much to expect from anything that wasn't coded, at least partly, by hand. But I think the larger point about wastefulness, sense in the page-structure, and ease of maintenance when the tool might not be available, is a valid one. And, as I say, Sandvox's code looks cleaner and better-structured to me.

Yes, I have used both, and if you are a developer, you would have known they had been working on it longer than those apps were in existance. So if you don't know what you are takling about, shut up

#3 Bull shit. Apple doesn't "steal" software, or they would have just stolen Cover Flow and not have PAID for it

cough cough *konfabulator* cough cough

Derek, did you ever use Watson? And Sherlock 3?
Try them both and see what you think.

Sure, Apple buys applications and companies; so does Microsoft, so does Google. Sometimes they also borrow things.

Bull shit. Apple doesn't "steal" software, or they would have just stolen Cover Flow and not have PAID for it. If Apple is going to make an application, they design it, not steal it. You are talking like Apple is Microsoft.

Derek, time for meds check. "Unofficial Apple Weblog" -- we're not part of Apple and we can say nice or nasty things depending on our whim. And the suing or not-suing of Apple is Karelia's business, but it's generally accepted that Sherlock 3 was HEAVILY inspired by Watson.

If Apple stole it, wouldn't they have been sued? Idiot, stop saying bad things about Apple on an APPLE BLOG!!!!