New Get a Mac Ad: Stuffed

"The positive thing is, they just don't interfere with you when you're starting up your computer."

err, nope. i have tried tried tried to get rid of the stupid software updates thingy that opens up every time i turn on my powerbook and offers me updates for stuff i don't use. make it stop!!

it would be nice if my email stopped crashing, too.

signed,

so tired of mac myths

#11 - The problem with your suggestion is that most (perhaps all) PC's these days do NOT come with "Windows-only" install disks; instead, they come with "System Restore" disks, that reinstall EVERYTHING that originally came with the PC - yes, including all of the crapware, etc. These disks can NOT be used to "just install Windows." To do that, you'd have to buy a copy of Windows XP (the FULL version, NOT an upgrade) which last I checked costs about $199.

"One thing I don't understand is the OmniGroup. I love OmniWeb, but the other things just annoy me... get rid of them Apple."

Josh, that contradicts your point. If you don't want those programs, it takes a few seconds to delete them. It's dumb to slag Apple for including them just because you don't happen to use them, and slag other people for complaining about the included stuf that you do use. That's actually hypocritical, because in your example, Apple doesn't have to preinstall any of the things that you happen to use, they are there for your convenience. Not everyone has the same needs or usage patterns.

One other thing that people don't understand is that for Windows computers, you can buy them through the business arm of a computer brand and you won't get crapware.

Dear JimmyBoy,

Following your recent developments after using both a PC and Mac (whatever that means), I think it's crucial that you tell owners of Mariner Software, MacVector Inc, Midnight Beep Softworks, Nisus Software Inc, ableton, onOne Software, Carnation Software, Toon Boom Animation Inc., Glance Networks, Inc., Ankama-studio, Open System Consultants, Neil Clayton, Pomfort Software, Oranged Software, Memeo, Inc, Simply Digital, Funkware, Doc White SW, Scenario Software, iSlayer, BeLight Software, Ltd, MacSoft, DoodleBytes LLC, OsiriX, optunis, The BabelColor Company, Largemouth Software LLC, Catalunya Disseny Informatic Sl, Olive Toast Software Ltd, Limit Point Software, CSO, 3SP Ltd, Visualware Inc., SecureMac.com, Inc., Dejal Systems LLC, Corporation Eightt, app4mac software, Glance Networks Inc, Bartas Technologies, MacMedia, Bare Bones Software, BakBone, FileMaker Inc, Autodesk, Bias-inc, Luxology, emcinsignia, Entertainment Partners, FLEXnet Publisher, plasq, Roxio, The VideoLAN Team, Mozilla, Aspyr, and Blizzard that all their software on OS X is imaginary... man, they're going to be livid!

All that developing they've been doing, and selling of software and stuff. :-(

Sincerely,
Mac User Who Has Only Been Using Apple, Adobe, and Microsoft Software For 5 Years

Geez..... Microsoft have to retort these ads. They're taking it lying down - there are alot of things they could send up about mac.... come on Bill, fight fire with fire!

"Yes, my creators stuff me full of trial software. You know how it, right Mac?" "Well, actually no. Nobody makes full programs for me, much less trial software"


Mac. Nobody Gives A Shit.*

*Thank you ctrl+alt+del.

computers with trial and crapware have nothing to do with microsoft, it's all about vendors trying to cram in more profit. I constructed my own computer, and with a normal version of XP, the argument doesn't apply at all. just because some unscrupulous venders pack it in to make a few bucks from the consumer doesn't mean it's microsoft's fault just because their OS happens to be on the computers.

Hmm, JimmyBoy, you sound like a real expert, especially since you make the comment that you work with both Macs and PCs. So with my Macbook, let me get this straight, I don't have any choices? Well, I work daily with my Mac, a Windows XP Dell, a desktop Linux box at the office, and a large number of Solaris, Linux, Windows, Tru-64 UNIX, OpenVMS, Aix, and VMWare servers.

Within that (albiet limited) environment, I can use my Mac to connect to the company LAN, or use VPN and remote desktop to the Windows servers, or use the version of X11 that comes with my Mac to work with GUI apps on our UNIX servers (mostly that administer multi-gigabyte Oracle databases with their backup and development needs), or ssh in to take care of the little administrative issues that might need handling.

Let's see, what else, oh yeah. There isn't a Lotus Notes client native to my Mac that is distributed by our IT department. Okay, I'll fire up my Parallels Desktop with a Windows XP virtual machine contained within so I can check my employer email without having to lug that gawd-awful Dell around with me. While I'm there I can get onto Sametime instant messaging to see if anyone needs some emergency attended to. Yes, they do, okay I'll bring that database back up for them.

Okay, what else is happening....my wife is in the hospital recovering from surgery and she has her Macbook with her to watch some DVDs and video, get some work with her art design done, and she has internet. Oh look she's logged into AIM. Let's start a video converence with iChat AV. Hey, there's her brother on his Macbook let's make it a multi-way video conference. Okay, now we're virtually visiting her in the hospital and didn't need to drive all that way through traffic but we've been able to talk to one another as if we were actually there. Nice.

A little later, I'll be printing up that CD label for that mix CD that I created from my iTunes; or perhaps synch up the video for that little YouTube movie I made with my cat. Of course, these are the "not serious" things that one does with a Mac. One which some would want to use their Windows PCs to calculate the amount of time I just wasted. While they're at it perhaps they can use their Windows PCs to calculate how much time spent removing all the spyware, malware, trials, and crap software from those same Windows PCs just wasted.

But then again, you're probably just a troll, because that was pretty much about as trollish of a comment as I've ever seen even on an Apple blog.

Choices? Yes, with a Windows PC I have several aisles of Crap software at CompUSA.

Treated like a child? I think this powerful UNIX based computer that is immune to Windows malware might state otherwise.

I'll be over here working on stuff while you browse those aisles at BestBuy.

I work with Macs and PCs. It is a sad fact that these advertisements are not accurate at all. PCs don't come with tons of trialware. But... HPs, Dells etc.. do! If you don't want trialware choose another pc vendor. Vote with your dollars!
Try the same thing with a Mac.. oops.. forgot.. there are no other vendors... You have no choice. You have to purchase from Apple. You are a mindless automaton that will simply do what you are told.
Want no choices, want to be spoonfed, want to be treated like a child? Then buy a Mac!
Want choices, buy a PC. Very simple.

The truth of the matter is that Macs are not for serious users. As such most software vendors simply don't bother writing software for them. Thats why Macs come with so much apple software preloaded. No one else bothers (with the exception of the big vendors.. Adobe, Microsoft, etc).

I never thought about this problem because the last PC I had had a clean hard drive, and of course I had a copy of Windows. But when the PC is called "bloated" as opposed to Macs, the way applications are handled come to mind. On Macs, they are single .app "files" that are self-contained, can be placed anywhere, and they rarely act unlike most Mac apps(extra files go to the same directory, etc.). On Windows, it's a different thing. Their pieces are generally scattered all over the system, so not all files are in Program Files. "DLL-hell" and the registry, that Bertrand Serlet mentioned in WWDC06, are big nuisances because they complicate the system. I have only realised these things when I started using a Mac, and I can't comment much on the subject because I have never had the courage to actually go and try to understand what was happening in PCs. Although I can say that the connexion between WinXP(maybe Vista too) and Win95 is very apparent ("spaghetti code"), and that is the "lightness" I see in Mac OS X, where the decision to dump Classic MacOS was a wise decision.