Developers not at WWDC unhappy about exclusive beta

I have been thrugh the release cycle before, and it has always come later than the wwdc crowd. the first 10.5 beta wasnt posted for weeks. This better not be the case for this seed. Apple has already posted beta builds for new xcode and xsan demoed at wwdc, so why not the OS and server OS? It would only seem logical to post them all at one time.

If apples going to advertise the leopard benefits to adc members, then they better deliver

Come on! Steve entertained devs with the amazing new folders-in-dock, the new super-useful ticket-selling widget and those mind-blowing new filters in photoboot...

What would they want more than this in a developers conference costed most of them some thousands $ ? Steve knows they want fun to relif their long hours spent debugging !

He even refreshed them the other 3 or 4 'new' features they had to beta test during the last months, they are not in a hurry to restart beta testing that timemachine in the new beta, not really.

ADC membership, what a show!

How many folks bitching have been through an Apple release cycle before as a developer? Show of hands? None?

Because if you *had* been through the cycle before, you'd release that this is no different than any other release handed away at WWDC. It was pretty much the same for the 10.4 preview at WWDC2004 - the DVDs were handed out at WWDC and the images went up for download about a week later (IIRC).

If you've got a Leopard early seed key and an ADC Select membership, you're going to get access to betas. Maybe not Right This Minute, Right Now but they'll be up there in the next couple of weeks.

Then you'll be able to brag with all the rest of the cool kids at WWDC.

Sheesh.

Scott...

I'm absolutely incensed over this action. I pay my $500 a year just like everyone else, but now I'm told that I'm not an important developer to Apple.

Just because I couldn't shell out a couple MORE thousand dollars, plus the loss in income going to the show would hit me (I get paid on a daily rate), I don't count to them?

Fine... I hate to say this, but MS treat their developer community FAR better than this.

Moose, that link has already been shot down as only seeding an obsolete seed. Do you have any information showing that it is a new seed?

Well, now that I re-read the article, you do qualify it at the end. However, the first paragraph sounds like the release, in any form, is only for WWDC attendees.

Wow, David. You really need to back up your statement with a confirmation from Apple (or someone who knows). You're freaking out a lot of people because of an offhand comment made in the keynote that could be interpreted more than one way.

I am VERY upset over this decision as well. The ONLY reason I bought my $500 membership was in order to make my application Leopard-only. Apple is certainly screwing me in this regard only giving me access to a very buggy and very old build.

Not all developers are at the point where they can plunk down thousands of dollars to fly across the country and attend WWDC. If you have over a million developers making programs for your platform it makes NO sense whatsoever to do this.

Having access to the prerelease Leopard is not a luxury, it is a NECESSITY for us to be able to deliver the solid programs that help make the Mac platform great.

I dont get it ? Developers who dont attend dont get a copy ? But in a day or so, it will be available to all those warez fourms/sites ? (im glad the 15yr. olds get copies before those who need it will have to wait).

I watched the keynote stream, and at no point did Jobs say that ADC Premier and Select members wouldn't get access to the seed via ADC - all they've said is that WWDC attendees get it first. TUAW: Can you just clarify your original post?