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NTFS on your Mac two ways

PC-to-Mac switchers are sometimes surprised to discover that while Mac OS X has full support for reading, writing and formatting the older FAT32 Windows disk format, media formatted with the NTFS scheme (NT for "New Technology" a la Windows NT, FS for File System -- introduced in 1993, not so 'new' anymore...) mounts as read-only on the Mac.

Even though there are valid technical reasons for keeping the NTFS drives read-only -- for one thing, the NTFS format is a Microsoft trade secret and must be licensed for full compatibility -- this constraint may cause challenges for cross-platform operations or Boot Camp users who choose NTFS for their drives. Without a separate FAT32 volume or a Windows-side utility like MacDrive, transferring files can be a pain.

Enter the new release from Paragon, NTFS for Mac OS X 6.0, meant to overcome this limitation. Paragon has sold a Linux NTFS driver for some time now, but this is the first version of the tool for Mac OS X. For $29.95, you get a driver compatible with 10.4.6 and up which works on both PPC and Intel Macs (why version 6 for a new product? It's tracking the version of the Linux utility, also at v6). You can download a 10-day trial here.

The primary selling point of Paragon's tool is speed and compatibility, when compared to the option behind door number 2: MacFUSE/ntfs-3g, the Google implementation of the FUSE library for Mac OS X paired with the open-source build of NTFS support (now stable after 12 years of development!). After a change of developers on the Mac build of ntfs-3g earlier in the year, the package is now tracking along nicely and all indications are that the combination of MacFUSE and ntfs-3g works well, albeit more slowly than would be ideal. If you have occasional need for NTFS writeability, MacFUSE might do the job; if you'll need it every day, check out Paragon's tool. If you only need to drag and drop to an NTFS volume while you're running Parallels or VMware Fusion... well, relax: both virtualization apps provide reciprocal file transfer, and Parallels will even open your disk images on the Mac side as needed, without launching the full Windows environment.

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dcnicholls

BTW, Michael, I forgot to ask: do you know if VMWare Fusion has the same problem?

DN

December 18 2007 at 6:42 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
dcnicholls

Pity the Paragon people haven't bothered to respond. Their responses seem to have dried up

December 18 2007 at 5:44 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
dcnicholls

Anatoly,

Does Paragon NTFS for OS X interfere in any way with Parallels 3.0? I believe Parallels uses FUSE. Do the two systems conflict?

DN

December 13 2007 at 1:59 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Dave Hubin

I have wondered this same thing. I have a MacBook Pro with a 120 gb hd that I configured with 80 gigs for the Windows side. I formated the windows partition in NTFS.

This appeared to work fine until I tried to reinstall Parallels (using the updated 3.0 that is compatible with Leopard.) As I try to open a Windows Window in Leopard I now get a message that it can't read my bootcamp partition.

Does anyone else know if there is a compatibility issue?

Thanks

December 18 2007 at 4:49 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Michael Rose

Pretty much anything that changes the Mac config for NTFS will break Parallels Boot Camp support -- Parallels includes a build of the MacFUSE libraries for NTFS and doesn't like anything else getting in the way.

December 18 2007 at 5:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Stephen Schumacher

I appreciate your comments, particularly Michael Rose's balanced support for FAT32 in Boot Camp. I just got a MacBook from MacMall with a 30GB Boot Camp partition preinstalled in NTFS format, which is not what I wanted, so I quick formatted it as FAT32 and reinstalled Windows from the OEM disk. It's working fine, with one oddity: the Windows Boot Camp partition no longer shows up when I hold down the Option button during booting (however, I can boot to either partition using Startup Disk Preferences or Boot Camp Control Panel). Any suggestions on how to fix this situation? (It's hardly a problem now, but I'm concerned that if this is something that could cause problems down the road, I'd rather fix it sooner rather than later, especially if the fix is to repartition or reformat Boot Camp.)

November 23 2007 at 11:44 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Anatoly

Dear Forum Visitors, My name is Anatoly. I am Product Manager for Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X. Please feel free to ask my any question regarding the product.

Best regards,
Anatoly.

November 23 2007 at 8:32 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
cromas

Just a comment about just how slow ntfs-3g really is -- I coastered three DVDs in OS X before I realized the cause was the slow read speed on the NTFS volume from which the files were being copied from. It's good for having access to a Word file when you need it, but it's nowhere near ready for primetime.

November 22 2007 at 3:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
monroe

real quick-- whats the difference between checking the "quick format" box in XP's computer management when reformatting an unallocated partition? (reference screenshots are on http://www.jakeludington.com/hadware_upgrades/20040909_diy_external_hard_drive.html near teh bottom) please reply fast as i am in the middle of this process (and only because of your help)!

November 21 2007 at 2:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
monroe

wow. thanks so much--love this forum compared to others.. its actually responsive and the articles arent 3 years old! ill try the 2 way partition for now i think--i wont need the HFS+ for now--ill post more if i run into any problems.

thanks again so much!

November 21 2007 at 12:34 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Michael Rose

Hi Monroe --

FAT32 is still the default format for nearly every USB drive sold today, and is a perfectly valid boot drive format for every version of Windows prior to Vista. Its performance and reliability is perfectly adequate, with the caveat that your maximum file size on a FAT32 volume is 2 GB (making it inappropriate for video editing use). On the Mac, you can format a FAT32 volume of any size, or make multiple partitions -- HFS+ for Mac data, FAT32 for interchange, NTFS (formatted on Windows side) if you feel you need it -- and go from there.

If you format the drive as NTFS you will be using some software, whether Paragon's or ntfs-3g, on the Mac side to enable writeability. If you format it HFS+, you could do the same with Macdrive to allow the PC to read and write it. Either way you'll be sacrificing some degree of speed and stability to permit the cross-platform use of those disk formats. The least intrusive, easiest to support approach for disk sharing between OS X and Win XP/Vista -- the only mutually writeable, natively accessible format -- is FAT32.

I've got nothing against NTFS, I manage a lot of Boot Camp'ed machines that use it for their XP volumes. FAT is easier.

November 21 2007 at 12:21 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
monroe

crap sorry about the repeat above-- i confirmed the wrong email.

thanks Michael--but one more thing. isnt FAT32 infamously slower and
more likely to cause problems? and if you do still trust it that
well, do you suggest i partition a 32 GB section for FAT32 (windows
only allows 32 GB correct? or any size i need on the mac) and leave
the rest NTFS so i still have the majority of the speed and
reliability there?

November 21 2007 at 12:10 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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