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A FireWire story

Once upon a time the Mac vs. PC debate found a kind of synecdoche in the FireWire vs. USB debate. FireWire had been invented by Apple way back in 1986 essentially to replace SCSI. USB 1.0 arrived on the scene in 1995 from Intel, Microsoft, and a few others. Somewhat ironically, however, it was the original iMac that gave USB a needed kick-start in adoption. In any case, for a while there was a clear sense that FireWire was the Mac peripheral interface in contrast with the Wintel USB, and even now FireWire 400 tends to outperform the higher-spec'ed USB 2.0 on Macs in the real world. Nonetheless, with Apple moving to Intel there has a been a notable shift in Cupertino away from the interface Apple invented (witness the USB-only iPods), and with the forthcoming USB 3.0 standard and the increasing prevalence of eSATA the future looked somewhat bleak for FireWire.

But FireWire is not going down without a fight. The industry trade group has announced a new standard, FireWire S3200 which will use the same connectors as FireWire 800 but deliver approximately 4 times the performance. What's interesting to me is the question of whether and how far Apple will go to support the new standard. Is FireWire destined to become the bastard stepchild or will Apple once again reclaim its old standard and live happily ever after?

[via Engadget]

Once upon a time the Mac vs. PC debate found a kind of synecdoche in the FireWire vs. USB debate. FireWire had been invented by Apple way...
 

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anon

Firewire will always be for pros. When we do video at a datacenter, we will use firewire. Not only is does it use less CPU, but the sustained rate is better, it also works over longer distances much better. USB is for consumers, and such and I welcome the improvements, but when you need to rely on critical data firewire is how you go.

December 19 2007 at 4:34 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
James

Well I have never really liked USB other than the fact it's much better than serial or parallel. The connectors are awful. At a glance they look completely symmetrical so to this day I still often try and plug them in the wrong way (especially when reaching behind a PC). USB has a much more limited 5v. I think it's silly for external devices to require power bricks. Firewire has much better connectors and they feel so much more solid. Firewire supports up to 12v so many more devices can be powered off of the port rather than using an extra plug. You can daisy chain firewire devices much like SCSI.

It's too bad firewire has fallen in favour over the years. It's much more difficult to get external drives that support firewire. PC motherboard makers are still including a firewire port much of the time so there's still some hope.

December 18 2007 at 4:07 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Navie Poo

The reason iPod went USB only wasn't that USB was a superior technology. USB chips are cheaper than Firewire and USB 2.0 is "good enough" for what the iPod needs.

Indeed, USB 2.0 is "good enough" for many applications (printing, scanning, casual hard drive use, thumb drives, etc).

Firewire is a better technology, but only a few specific target markets "need" FW.

December 17 2007 at 6:13 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
GadgetGav

Matt, glad you found time to swallow that dictionary before you wrote this, but as others have pointed out, if you don't use the big words correctly, you'd be better off sticking to the smaller ones.

December 17 2007 at 10:33 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
RoboMac

If all we talk about is a device to a PC (slave-to-master) then USB will be the dominant interface. FW400/800 will still be required for accurate video frame syncs and edits on the PC. USB will never match that even USB3 fiber or what not.

When a decoupled "peer-to-peer" communications is needed then here is where FW400/800/S3200 will shine. I think someone mentioned the "bidirectional" stream capability of FW. I believe he was referring to the isochronous streaming or "guaranteed" bandwidth-as-available at the time of request. Only FW have this option. The usual asynchoronous (USB's) is also available as the default mode.

Yeah, seems like a lot of bull but it does work and work very well that any serious video enthusiasts - from the daddy-cams, home hobyists, semi-to-pro videocam where every bit of frame accuracy counts.

Have anyone done iMovie with USB? Not if that videocam is equipped with FW. And that is the point for FW. You actually don't need the PC/MAC to have the FW cam to upload to a FW storage. Only if you need to edit the footage.

So, will this FW S3200 succeed over USB3 or eSATA? They all will succeed. They are not competing as a complete replacement of the others but in a complementary way.

You can think of USB1/2/3 for device-to-PC, FW for video and "peer-to-peer" device comms, and eSATA for local storage.

Although, they do have overlaps in capabilities, they are all complementary and I can't see any of them not coexisting with the others in the future - by Apple, Sony, HP, Dell or any serious hardware makers wanting to attract my $$$.

December 17 2007 at 10:15 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
qryss

Ah! I have waited some 30 years to stumble across the word synecdoche in someone else's print.

My day is complete and I thank you!

:)

I also have several FW800 drives and don't want them to become extinct. Long live FW3200 and its (apparent) backwards compatibility.

December 16 2007 at 8:38 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jon H.

It's a shame that FW is losing out to USB

--especially when I have about 8 devices that use USB and 1 (my LaCie external hard drive) that uses FireWire.
USB hubs never seem to work right for me.

Question: Why did FireWire never catch on with PC makers in a big way? I wonder...

December 16 2007 at 7:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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artifex

licensing.

December 17 2007 at 2:07 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mat Lu

Yeah, that's right. Apparently it costs quite a bit more to license FireWire than USB.

December 17 2007 at 3:05 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
frankmjr

Apple couldn't limit the iPod to FW and lose out on the PC market, thats old Apple thinking and we see where it got them in the past. As somewhat of a side affect Apple made the USB format all the more commonplace. Ultimately, you win some, you lose some, just like a soldier diving on a grenade to save his sergeant (figure of speech of course), FW has taken a hit so that the Apple business model of brand name saturation could begin with the introduction of the iPod into the mainstream market.

If FW truly wants to survive, it needs to adopt another one of Apple's strategies: Absorbing the competition's offerings so that the fear of losing any advantages by switching over to an Apple product become non-existent. By this I mean an FW device that can act as a USB device by way of an adaptor of some sort.

December 16 2007 at 2:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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artifex

My b&w U2 iPod has both FW and USB support, not FW only. I heard they dumped FW on iPods because the chips were too big/unwieldy/sucked too much power for their then-new smaller designs.

December 17 2007 at 2:10 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
bazzmc

If you're going to use a ten-dollar word like "synecdoche", make sure you're using it correctly.

syn·ec·do·che (sĭ-něk'də-kē)
n. A figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole (as hand for sailor), the whole for a part (as the law for police officer), the specific for the general (as cutthroat for assassin), the general for the specific (as thief for pickpocket), or the material for the thing made from it (as steel for sword).

December 16 2007 at 1:13 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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John Doe

Right. They did use it correctly
The part (FW vs USB) was used for the whole (Mac vs PC)

December 16 2007 at 1:16 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
bazzmc

thirdmoose: Synecdoche is not merely "part-from-whole." It is specifically a FIGURE OF SPEECH. "Firewire-vs.-USB" is not a figure of speech used to represent the "Mac vs. PC" debate. The words "analogue" or "parallel" would have worked better in that sentence.

December 16 2007 at 1:25 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
sjmills

Going USB-only on iPods was a huge mistake. I hate waiting for our newer iPod to sync, as opposed to my 1st gen. which is still going strong. I also hate waiting for USB scanners to chug along as they wait for the data to be xferred. Apple needs to get back on the FireWire wagon, and support any new FireWire developments.

December 16 2007 at 1:11 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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