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Sneaky Safari Updater opinion roundup

The news that Apple has stealthily included Safari in its Software Updater bounced all over the Mac blogosphere today, and earned cheers and jeers (well, mostly jeers). Here's a quick roundup.
  • The most attention probably comes from John Lilly, CEO of Mozilla, who unequivocally calls the decision "wrong," and says that doing something other than "updating" with an "updater" betrays the public trust.
  • Darby Lines at The Angry Drunk says that the whole matter is just plain "whining" and that Apple is hardly forcing the software on anyone, especially considering that there's a checkbox right next to the name of it. And it's not like, as many people have said, installing Safari on a PC is actually a bad move.
  • The Inquirer actually makes a worthwhile joke: "Some iTunes users report that the box to sign up for Safari appears pre-ticked." At least we think that's a joke -- you'd only say Apple was "targeting" and "hijacking" Windows users if you were joking, right?
  • Microsoft Watch calls the program a "rogue updater," while Paul Mison fisks them pretty completely and shows that even if Apple did somehow hurt the computers by installing a reasonable, standards-compliant browser, Microsoft has done much, much worse.
So what's the deal overall? As we said earlier, Jobs very plainly told us this was going to happen, and though, yes, users who don't pay attention may end up with extra software, it's extremely easy to not install the software. While a warning might have been nice, Apple isn't really outside its bounds here, so it's unlikely that they'll change it anyway.

The only real result is that users, whether PC or Mac, are reminded once again to pay attention to what they're clicking on. It's unexpected that Apple would be the company to remind us of that, but it's as true as ever.

The news that Apple has stealthily included Safari in its Software Updater bounced all over the Mac blogosphere today, and earned cheers...
 

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wraith808

The big thing to me is the fact that the updater *keeps* asking me to install it all the time! If it only did it once, and then I untick it and it doesn't ask me again- fine. But all the time, the updater keeps appearing, asking me to do the same thing. Thats just wrong.

April 02 2008 at 8:25 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Peter

Wow. Just wow. I am flat out blown away by the ofuscation, obliviousness and abject self-justification in TUAW's original post. I had always thought this site had some measure of perspective about Apple but this post fulfills every stereotype about Apple fanboyism. When Microsoft does it, it's bad. When Apple does it, it's fine, why are you complaining, Apple software is good for you, you should be grateful Apple is pushing its great products onto you. I am simply stunned by some of the pathetic excuses endorsed by TUAW. Among them:

1) Two wrongs make a right. I love this one. Even if what Apple does is bad, hey, Microsoft does it even WORSE. So there. Shut up and don't complain about Apple. Because you know, Microsoft is even more evil.

2) Apple software is so good, who care if you didn't seek it out? It's good!

3) Because Apple announced it was going to do this, it's therefore OK. Um, does at TUAW see the huge yawning gap in logic here? If a practice is bad, announcing you're going to do it doesn't make it any better. Right. I'll buy that, along with the bridge spanning the East River.

TUAW mentions but never responds to Mozilla's point that a so-called "updater", which is commonly understood to mean a program that keeps software you already have installed up-to-date, now adds software that you don't have installed. I guess even TUAW was too embarrassed at trying to twist the English language and justify how it's OK for an updater to add new, unrelated software to the system.

Good job, TUAW, for fulfilling every caricature about Mac zealotry!

March 24 2008 at 7:28 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
William

How has Apple not yet gotten sued for monopolistic behavior for bundling Safari with OS X and now this? If Microsoft can get sued for bundling IE and Windows Media Player with Windows, shouldn't Apple be sued for bundling Safari and QuickTime with OS X? Especially given that they control software AND hardware, making it a true monopoly? Just wondering.

March 24 2008 at 11:41 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Orange Box

Well, Mactards, isn't the all righteous Apple supposed to be better than the sooo evil Microsoft? I guess we have the answer to that question now, haven't we? Apple is as lowly as Microsoft is. LOL.

March 23 2008 at 6:57 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
hoode

OH waaahhhhhh wahhhhhhhh with the jeers. I use 4 different browsers for 4 different types of things. I dont give a flying fig if Apple updates THEIR browser automatically. In Fact I wish ALL the browsers would do it.

Much ado about nothing.


March 23 2008 at 2:10 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
airmanchairman

Yeah, it came as a surprise, but a pleasant one, it must be said, and I'll explain for why...
(That's ancient English anyway, for you Grammar Nazis)

I've just dried my eyes over the recent discontinuation of support for my favourite Netscape Navigator browser when the thought occurred to me that it could be a good time to give Safari a try.

I honestly suspected for a second that Apple Inc actually have bots placed in my head when I saw the download prompt - "is this Reality Distortion Field more than a journalistic metaphor" I thought.

Well, I decided it was just convenient coincidence and downloaded it anyway. Will test it later this week and decide what to do with it.

March 23 2008 at 8:51 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mark

What people didn't notice is that it also works the other way around. I only got Safari installed on Windows (don't need a media player), but whenever I run Apple Software Update I also get offered iTunes + QuickTime (besides QuickTime and an update for Safari).

March 23 2008 at 7:27 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Twilight Zone Marathon

As an owner of 12 Macs over the last 19 years, and an owner of an Apple ][+, I think this is embarrassing and I wish they hadn't approached it this way.

March 23 2008 at 4:13 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
WetcoastBob

Any one who blindly downloads whatever is presented is stupid. You watch where you drive; you watch what you eat:
why would you not watch what you download.

The reaction to this just shows how desperate the media and other software companies are to find fault with Apple.

To compare this with malware or virus is ignorant because nothing is hidden.

If you do not want it... uncheck the box! Duh!

Cheers:
Bob

March 23 2008 at 2:06 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tom

3 pages of comments, i'm lazy, the microsoft watch guy says it's not a big deal now:

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/apple_software_update_is_ripe_not_rotten.html

March 23 2008 at 12:32 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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