Those don't do anything to your experience unless you choose to run them... Many of the bloatware that is installed "sans gratis" have services and such that are running in the background.

True. However, you do have the option of actually buying iWork from within the application. It's not "crapware" in the same sense that PC makers dump on your machine. And Office 2004 Test Drive on the other hand… Well, we'll leave that one alone. I am a little disappointed in Apple for removing all bundled software (with the exception of iLife) on the last couple revisions of their machines. I feel it takes some of the value away in comparison to a PC. That removed one of my arguments for why Macs are better. I guess it's not a huge deal. I think I've used OmniOutliner twice (I'm a Circus Ponies NoteBook user).

There's a large difference between iLife as an included FEATURE of the mac and installed advertisements.

That being said, Apple is guilty of "crapware" thanks to iWork and Office. And although I think it is a different category, the amount of mentions of .Mac on a fresh Mac are ridiculous as well.

I don't remember having Office or iWork pop up advertisements when I boot up. My sister's notebook literally took half a day to remove the crapware - and most of them were started at boot-time. Sorry, but Mac OSX's default installed stuff is not even close to this level of intrusive.

are you retarded?

Haha.. I just don't need iLife '08 (note the '08, that way it 'sounds' like an separate product. But it in fact its just the same as Microsoft's Mediaplayer and internet explorer integration in Windows). I agree on the .Mac fact. Ohwell.. both party's include crapware, whether you like it or not.

I'd have to agree with David Owens, I think you may actually be retarded. In what possible way is iLife the same thing as Microsoft's integration of IE in Windows? If you removed IE from Windows, Windows doesn't work any more. That's why they were getting sued. What happens if you remove iLife, or Safari, or any of the apps that come with a new Mac? Nothing happens. Because they're not tied into the OS, which is the entire problem with IE in Windows.

iLife is not crapware because it serves a useful purpose and it's not advertising or demos. It's full featured real software that's not tied into the OS and has absolutely zero negative effects if you simply leave it on your HD, even if you don't use it. Do you even know anything about the iLife apps? Garageband is such a good music creation app, Apple should be charging money for it. It's worth paying money for. But it's free with any Mac you buy. I really can't see how it's even possible to put a negative spin on that. Unless you really just don't understand how it works.

Its not advertising? How about iWeb? Constanly its reminding me of the exiting of .Mac. It serves a usefull purpose, so then its not bloatware anymore? I see this a lot. Oh its from Apple.. so its not bad. Its innovative!

Then again, ofcourse.. I don't know how good you are with computers, but when I remove Internet Explorer from Windows, nothing happens. No troubles, no BSOD's, nothing. I guess the true retard are those who don't want to see the problems that come with [b]every[/b] Operating System. OSX is not perfect nor is Windows. I use 'em both, simply because they got both pro's and cons.

I don't know what you're doing in iWeb that makes .Mac popup constantly, but .mac has only popped up once on my machine ever, when I got it and it asks whether I would like it or not. I said no, and it never bothered me again.

Try publishing a website in iWeb. Default it will search for my non-existing .Mac. To 'upload' it locally you'll have to search for the Apache folder. It would be a lot better if the system would change that into locally the moment you say 'no' to .Mac.

And no.. It'll only take you like 2 seconds. But thats not the point. Especially not when we're all bashing on PC vendors. But I still like my MacBook, no worries:P

Besides.. every computer nerd builds and (re-)installs his/hers own computer(/laptop). So care..

Let me get this straight - you 'bought' your Mom a Compaq, and she can't use Macs?

Mom didn't teach you well. If I bought my Mom a computer, it would be a Mac. She doesn't like it? Hmm. Perhaps she'd rather buy her own then.

Dude,


If your mom can't use a "mac" then she sure as shit can't use the POS Compaq. Besides the ongoing and constant security concerns and problem, there is the tons of crapware, pop - up BS, and shitty error messages. Not to mention the ever present blue screen of death.

Jesus. My dad made the same decision about 3 years ago and bought a top of the line, spare no expense DELL [the award winning DELL POS featuring lots of shit that doesn't work]. He used it for solitaire and it broke down so much that he doesn't use it anymore. There goes emailing my parents. And now?

After Dad saw my laptop over Christmas he commented to me how easy it seemed to run. I casually told him that he could get a mac mini for under a $100 and use his peripherals. And finally this month he told me to get him one.

If you love your mom you will return the Compaq and get her a MAC and then spend the 10 minutes it will take you to teach her everything she needs to know about it. Here is the list. The open/close/minimize buttons are on the LEFT. To exit a program push Apple Q. Now go have fun and don't worry about any security crap.