It's not often that we get to do an advice column here, but let's see how this goes. An email arrived at the office just the other day...
Dear Aunt TUAW,
I know that he is wrong and that there are engineers that use Macs professionally and I can give a few examples to support that. If I am going to win this argument I'm going to need a lot of proof.
Signed,
Mac-lorn Admin
Dear Mac-lorn Admin,
Darling, didn't you realize the Mac Pro is a Windows machine, and a darned speedy one? Last time I checked, Boot Camp + Mac Pro = a Windows dream! The adult in us loves the reliability and UNIX backbone, but the kid in us loves the GUI and tasty frosting! Having a single machine that can do double or triple duty with Mac apps, BSD/Linux engineering power and Windows compatibility would be the envy of any right-minded academician.
Still, we know that logic isn't going to sway that mean ole dean of yours. TUAW readers, can you help Mac-lorn? Leave us your testimonials about using Macs in your professional lives -- particularly in engineering or in higher ed -- in the comments.
Love,
Auntie T.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
3-28-2008 @ 9:23AM
dan said...
Maybe this will help your cause a little Mac-lorn :)
http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/20/apple-army-hackers-tech-security-cx_ag_1221army.html
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3-28-2008 @ 10:14AM
DJCarbon43 said...
Hold the faith brother mac-lorn. For tonight in Academia we shall light such a fire under your deans arse, as shall never be extinguished!
Best,
D. ^_^
3-28-2008 @ 12:01PM
Jitaroo said...
That can't be true. If it were, why would the military tell the press? Now, all the people who were trying to hack them are just going to try to hack their macs! And don't tell me it can't be hacked, because no one is perfect, and neither is apple, so there has to be a flaw. This just gave them the impetus to find it.
But, the military might just be smart enough to do this, just to throw hackers off track, untill they realize that this isn't true.
3-28-2008 @ 9:24AM
Eliot Landrum said...
I work for a medium size engineering firm in Plano, Texas (Dallas). We have several engineers who use Macs on personal preference (I among them). We find them to be very solid, capable machines that are far more reliable than our PC counterparts. I have multiple VM images to work in various PC-only packages that don't like each other, just like I also did on my old PC. I can't recommend a Mac enough! If you would like specifics, please feel free to contact me.
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3-28-2008 @ 9:35AM
doot4runner said...
I am currently a graduate student at a large public university studying Statistical Signal Processing. I use a Macbook for all my simulations and everyday work. I am also aware of 3 professors in our group that also use various forms of a Mac. Two use a Mac Pro for simulations and the other a Macbook Pro for mobile use. Macs are everywhere here.
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3-28-2008 @ 9:41AM
James Wedding, P.E. said...
I'm a Civil Engineer working with a MacBook Pro and VMware, and the author of Mastering Autocad Civil 3D. Most engineers will claim cad is the problem application tht they MUST have Wintel for, but it's simply not true. I run Autocad, Civil 3D, Google Earth (yes, I can run that on the Mac, but C3D uses the Windows side for some functions,) and a host of other applications in the virtual machine. On the days where I'm really grinding out modeling or visualization work, the ability to boot into boot camp gives me the best XP box in the office.
While there are some minor issues with firm interoperability and sharing, these are more related to oddities like mind mapping software. We share documents, spreadsheets and the like with no issues.
We also work closely with Autodesk, and I can vouch that a number of their development team members are running Mac laptops and VMWare or bootcamp to handle coding an UI issues for the Civil 3D application.
Good luck!
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3-28-2008 @ 9:44AM
Chris said...
We use Macs to do calculations on spinning neutron stars.
If this doesn't qualify as engineering, I don't know what is.
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3-28-2008 @ 10:09AM
Brian Allen said...
As I remember, they spin to the right on Mac and to the left on PCs.
;)
3-28-2008 @ 9:45AM
Sidep said...
Mac-lorn,
I am currently an engineering student at a Private University, and I want to let it known that I use two macs on our network, though I am a client, I know our server runs a UNIX environment, weather virtual or legit, UNIX is the way to go. Who would ever program in a Micro$oft environment, let alone run one?
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3-28-2008 @ 9:46AM
Andrew said...
I am a computer engineering student at Stevens Institute of Technology and I use a PowerMac G5 and MacBook Pro every day for all my work. Many other students and professors here also use Macs without difficulty. When others see me with my MacBook, many express interest in the platform and often lament being unable to afford one. The know it works and that it can run Windows if need be and is a very powerful computing platform, perfect for engineering.
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3-28-2008 @ 9:47AM
undeadbydawn said...
Dear Auntie T
responding that a Mac Pro *is* a Windows machine is the most negative argument possible. The statement infers that one DOES, in fact, need Windows. May I suggest/request that instead you reply with some comments regarding the pro's of Mac OS X?
The lack of active positives in your response further suggests that *you* cannot think of any good arguments. I urge you to prove me wrong. Please.
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3-28-2008 @ 9:50AM
Michael Rose said...
If the Dean insist that machines be able to run Windows, then Boot Camp/virtualization is an excellent argument in favor of at least considering the Mac. What we want from y'all are examples of engineering schools with Mac populations.
3-28-2008 @ 9:48AM
Anon said...
I also work in the electrical and computer engineering department at Carnegie Mellon University. You may have heard of it.
FWIW, several of our top faculty use MacBook Pros. I'd share names, but I fear that would be going too far. Tell them this is true within one of the top engineering schools in the world.
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3-28-2008 @ 9:51AM
Michael Rose said...
Go Tartans!
[CMU class of '91]
3-28-2008 @ 10:21AM
DJCarbon43 said...
As an aside, did CMU wind up winning the DARPA challenge?
3-28-2008 @ 12:41PM
Anon said...
CMU won the DARPA Urban Challenge this year, yes. Red Team FTW.
3-28-2008 @ 11:08AM
Michael Rose said...
Yes, the pride of Pittsburgh beat those Cali hippies in the Urban Challenge :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge#2007_Urban_Challenge
3-31-2008 @ 10:45AM
DJCarbon43 said...
w00t! Much love to my western PA brethren. :)
3-28-2008 @ 9:51AM
Chris said...
It all really depends on what type of engineering you do. If it's CAD and design work, macs are pretty much worthless. All of the major programs are for Windows/Linux only. However, if you're working in the theoretical realm where you're using open source programs and writing most of your own code, it doesn't really matter which platform you're on, as long as it's fast.
I'm in an aerospace engineering department, and people's computers pretty much follow these lines. The more bleeding-edge theoretical guys write their own programs on their macs. Everyone that relies on commercial code uses PCs with Windows/Linux. There is no reason for them to spend the extra $2000 for a mac desktop. (a nearly-as-fast linux box can be built for 1/3 the cost of a mac pro)
Sorry everyone- I love my macbook pro, but unless you need OSX, I think the mac pros are a bit overpriced and hard to justify. When is Apple going to come out with a desktop that is expandable and NOT based on $600 processors?
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3-28-2008 @ 10:22AM
DJCarbon43 said...
Funny you mention that Chris. Specd out a top of the line Dell v. Mac Pro for an argument with my buddy at Wharton, and the mac came in, to the dollar, the same as the Dell. Cept it had the next gen chip, and faster memory... $10,443 for both...crazy.
Ohh, and the Mac is better made, and can triple boot. ;)