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First commercial Hackintosh announced by Psystar

As noted by some of our tipsters last night and published today on Ars and MacRumors, a company called Psystar (site currently down, for legal or technical reasons, who can say?) is offering to sell you a $399 "OpenMac" Core 2 Duo minitower that is ready to run Leopard, and for $554 you can get it with a retail copy of Mac OS X preinstalled. With specs blowing well past the base Mini configuration and the expandability of a tower config, such a machine would be appealing to hobbyists and developers... exactly the sort of folks who would be likely to roll their own.

The concept of the Hackintosh, while appealing from a technical standpoint and certainly a draw for the budget-minded, always seems to fall down for me when it comes to software updates (you can't), compatibility (it's not), and support (there ain't none). If a central value proposition of Mac OS X and the Macintosh ecosystem is that the OS and the hardware are designed in parallel to work as seamlessly as possible and provide an optimized user experience, then what does a homebrew clone get you but bragging rights and a degree of aggravation? Sure, getting an Asus eee booted into Leopard is pretty cool -- but having owned a legitimate Mac clone back in the Power Computing days, I can vouch for the fact that there's no substitute for the real thing.

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As noted by some of our tipsters last night and published today on Ars and MacRumors, a company called Psystar (site currently down, for...
 

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Alan

In checking their website, when a poster asked about application compatibility, they answered:

"Most applications work but Psystar cannot guarantee full functionality of or support by the application authors for every single application. As applications are tested they will be posted in the FAQ."

I think that says it all. Not so much about them working, but how much effort are they willing to put into testing a $400.00 white box? You know they're barely making a dime off these ugly boxes, so what incentive do they have to make a really good, compatible product?

The world is already filled with $400.00 computers. We need another one of these like we do a hole in the head.

You get what you pay for, have fun! I'll stick with the real deal, my time is too valuable to be a guinea pig.

April 15 2008 at 10:25 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
hoop

Wow. I take great exception to the bad mouthing of the clones.

it was NEVER a quality question with clones, it was the fact that they were much MUCH BETTER than the Macs at the time.

Apple was being destroyed by its own channel partners(the clones undercutting their prices and Outperforming them at EVERY turn)

I myself am a PROUD owner of Several PowerTowerPros , and A couple of SuperMac S900s- they still work , and Still Smizzzzzzzoke the 95/8500s they were introduced against , as well as had a pricetag less than half of a "comparable" Mac.

Bad mouthing the clone companies is a Sure way to toss yourself on the "new mac user" bandwagon.

if you bought a starmax back in the day i can understand your frustration , but Cmon - The Powercomputing Pro lineup , the supermac Storm surge models, they are STILL the most powerful 604 based machines out there, even when comparing them to the 86/9600s the stability and reliability outshines the apple version completely- (the 86/9600s faster then 300mhz dropped like flies)

Dont be a bandwagon fanboy , spend some time with the hardware, just because Apple doesnt make it doesnt make it trash.

And After i say all this , it still doesnt matter, because yes they will get sued out of existence, and no they wont make even if they dont. Compaq and motorola couldnt keep their clones on the market, what makes you think these guys can?

April 15 2008 at 12:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dave

APPLE BUILD US A MINITOWER!!!

Please...

ds

April 15 2008 at 12:43 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
the JoshMeister

Some of the text from articles at the Psystar site is available at http://www.macmod.com/content/view/1331/243/ (including Psystar's answer to whether you can install standard OS updates from Apple).

April 14 2008 at 11:03 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
akalmenson

I'm typing this from a Hackintosh and I can definitely say that it works really well. Aside from getting a $12 PCI network card, everything worked out of the box for my PC. I see Hackintoshes as a test for people who are thinking of a Mac but aren't sure. I've been very impressed with OS X so far, so much so that any future computer purchases that I make will definitely be Macs.

April 14 2008 at 10:45 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Kenty

Who wants a hackintosh? People that want half decent graphics that's who. Or people that don't want an 'all in one' machine.

The iMac has a terrible graphics card and the Mac Pro is way out of most people's price range. Apple's desktop lineup is just silly and has been for years. Not to mention that the iMac's built in screen a massive turn off for everybody I've ever spoken to. I've got a 24" monitor already that I can connect all sorts of devices to (my Powerbook, games consoles etc) so why would i want to replace it with a built in screen that's far less versatile?

This is why I don't know hardly anybody that owns a mac desktop, the standard setup amongst my friends and colleagues is mac laptop + windows desktop. Lot's of them would love to have a mac desktop but they would never consider buying anything from the current lineup.
There NEEDS to be a headless mac with PCI-E graphics slot, otherwise the only viable option is Hackintosh :(

April 14 2008 at 9:26 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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CZ

There's NOTHING on the Mac that NEEDS a high-end graphics card. The ones that come with the lower-end Macs are perfectly fine for everything you'd possibly want to do on a Mac.

Now, if you're saying you want a high-end graphics card so you can play games in boot camp, then I'd say the better solution is to make a gaming rig and leave your Mac out of it.

Apple and their third parties make their software to work on the graphics chipset built into Macs. There's no gain on a Mac to having a $400 video card, because vendors don't even make the damn Mac drivers for half of those cards, anyway, and not much Mac software takes advantage of them.

Seriously; If you want to play Crysis or other highly demanding PC games, build yourself a gaming computer and use it for JUST that, and then grab a refurbished low-end Mac if you still want to get your daily work done in OS X.

I did this for about a year, then realized the PC game market wasn't worth it. Now I'm perfectly happy with my Xbox 360 + MacBook.

April 14 2008 at 9:59 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
tendo

its not really news companies do this all the time. I own 5 computers 4 macs 1 PC. the PC runs Mac/Windows. As do all the macs.

April 14 2008 at 8:56 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Ondroo

I've got a question.... seeing as though Apple only makes the logic board that goes into their computers (ie. ram, hdd, cpu etc are outsourced), would it 'technically' be a mac if you built a computer around a mac logic board (ie. mac pro's)? And hence would it prevent all the compatibility issues and actually be legal?

April 14 2008 at 6:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Ryan

Yes, but it wouldn't be very practical. The Mac Pro uses workstation / server CPUs and RAM that are outrageously expensive, and all other Macs (including the iMac and mac mini) use laptop RAM and processors, (which are outrageously expensive AND slow) are limited to a paltry 2 RAM slots, and have no PCI/PCIe slots.

April 14 2008 at 7:06 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
carnagex2000

The website is up, but they changed their name to Open Computer.

I posted screen shots for youz, since their website is slowing down from the ton of traffic they are getting. (fully loaded its around $1000).

http://homepage.mac.com/summergirl007/OPENMAC/PhotoAlbum214.html

April 14 2008 at 6:07 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Aaron

I've had a hackintosh as my media center PC for over a year now, and I love it. The Mini nearly met my needs, but I like to play the occasional game and a $100 graphics card goes a long way (but not in the mini). So I built a $500 PC (sans the cost of my 2TB of disks) and connected it to a 32" lcd TV.

Granted, I spent ages trying to figure out the best way to install OS X on it. I finally decided on an install directly from my retail DVD as my motherboard only required modifying a couple of plists and installing the EFI emulation to get most things working (a fully functioning reboot required replacing one kext).

Almost all updates work. The only ones I don't install right away are the full OS updates (10.5.1,2, ...). But for those I usually just wait a few days to see if anything pops up on insanelymac forums.

So I have a nearly native install of OS X on my PC, with the stock kernel. Everything works well (except quicktime seems to randomly crash every few days) and I couldn't be happier. Hackintoshes are certainly not for the light of heart, as there are just too many things that can go wrong with some piece of hardware.

I have tried some of the prebuilt distributions out there (like iatkos, brazilmac, etc.) with mixed results. But all of my problems were caused by my PATA DVD-RW. In general, if you've got compatible hardware, these installers are almost as easy as installing OS X on a Mac.

So what's the point of all this? Apple needs a new model. I'd have gone with a Mac if there was a not-quite-so-pro version of the Mac Pro. I just want to be able to upgrade my system some day without spending over $1000 at the start. In the mean time I'm happy with my Hackintosh, but I certainly represent a small portion of the population, those hobbyists with too much time to waste.

April 14 2008 at 5:53 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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