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Gamers and the faster iMacs

Peter Cohen over at Macworld continues his sideline analysis of Apple's gaming chances with a post about how the brand new faster iMacs are indeed faster, but still not fast enough for gamers. And to a certain extent, he's right -- gaming on the Mac is like that old beat-up, "someday I'll fix it up" convertible your father's had in the garage covered with a tarp since you were a kid. Getting it out and putting a new engine in it might help it run better, but it's still not going to turn it into a car that anyone wants to drive around.

But (and we talked about this extensively on the Talkcast a few weeks ago with Brian Akaka from Freeverse) it's a step. A faster video card, even if it isn't blazing, will run games better than before, and it'll do a little to bring not only gaming customers but developers back to the Mac. Cohen is right -- that old convertible needs an actual mechanic to take a look at it, and it needs the seats to be reupholstered, and sooner or later it's going to need a new can of paint (not that, like your Dad's actual convertible, these things aren't ever going to happen -- we continue to hear rumblings that Apple is aiming for gamers).

But something is something -- the very fact that Apple is offering faster video cards is a sign that they're interested. And, other than simple profiles of games on their website and cameos by game execs at keynotes, that's more than we've had in a while.

Peter Cohen over at Macworld continues his sideline analysis of Apple's gaming chances with a post about how the brand new faster iMacs are...
 

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Amidee

@Chris...
Okay, I agree with you that the user-generated content is an enormous lack for consoles, but... That's not a problem for Apple P: It's a step that console and console game makers have to do, it's not Apple's field nor fault.
Every problem you listed is well known and perfectly solvable with zero effort.
And... Come on. User generated content? Is that the ONLY serious thing that prevents you to consider consoles the best gaming platform? The only thing that prevents you to throw away PC for gaming?
Be serious (: You're talking about the company that threw away floppy drives in the floppy drive era and the company that *just* threw away CD drives in the middle of the dvdcdblu ray era. Again, it's all a matter of rethinking computing; this is a little piece of a big puzzle.
OK, consoles may still have quirks, maybe they're not perfect for some game genres (and we could discuss for hours about this, we all know it). But it's not an oracle prediction if I say that by the time of the next generation of consoles there will not be ANY reason to use a computer for gaming other than "I already have one". It's just being a little pragmatic P:

May 09 2008 at 5:02 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
CZ

Seriously: If your criteria for what kind of Mac you buy has to do with whether or not you can run Crysis on it in Boot Camp, then you're not in Mac's target audience. You're not in the market for what a Mac does.

I used to be the guy who built my own gaming rigs, before I switched to Mac. Now, I leave all my hardcore gaming to the Xbox 360 (GTA IV is incredibly good) and use the Mac for work and casual gaming (I can play anything from Solitaire to Half-Life 2 on my MacBook).

Honestly, I'm not seeing a lot of great PC-only games coming out these days anyway. I don't care if the mod community can make levels for Oblivion. Where's Halo 3, GTA IV, or Mass Effect for the PC? (I heard Mass Effect is coming... But it's not here yet, is it?)

PC games are dying out. No adult gamer wants to spend all day tweaking just to play a game.

May 09 2008 at 4:37 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Clayton

I don't know why it isn't mentioned that often, but the MacBook Pro (when in Bootcamp) is a fantastic gaming laptop. So long as you get the education discount (200$), the thing is a better deal than any Windows gaming laptop, and it's really fast. TF2 runs beautifully (as do most HL2 releated games), as does Commmand and Conquer 3 and Sins of a Solar Empire. I plan on getting Starcraft 2 (I'll have to see if it runs better in Mac OSX or Windows) and Left 4 Dead and perhaps even Spore.

May 09 2008 at 12:50 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Chriswan

The current iMac already looks like an overkill to me

I only play casual 2D/3D games, so any low end Mac on the market will do just fine

May 09 2008 at 11:55 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Twist

I am wanting to get a new Mac soon but sadly Apple doesn't make a machine I would buy right now. I want something with specs similar to the iMac but without the monitor and with upgradeable graphics. The only machine Apple sells that is even close to that is the Mac Pro which is way out of my price range. The new high end iMac looks okay but for that price you might as well just get the stripped down Mac Pro.

I am tempted to just build a PC and put OS X on it even though keeping OS X up-to-date on those things looks like a major pain. I could easily build something with more power than the iMac for half the cost of the high end 20 inch model.

May 09 2008 at 10:53 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Silver

Two things about Apple I just can't figure out:

1) why they don't offer a consumer-priced tower with swappable components. They would open the door to a whole new group of buyers with a sub $1,500 Mac tower.

2) why you can't throw any off-the-shelf PC video card into a Mac Pro. I thought the Intel transition was supposed to give us hardware parity with the Windows world - yet we STILL have to buy a Mac-specific video card at 3X the price of the PC equivalent???

Lame, Apple. Really lame.

May 09 2008 at 10:24 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Rich F

I would generally agree with this statement, until I tried to play CNC3 and CNC3 Kanes Wrath last night in Vmware Fusion. It played very well on the new iMac, even at 1600x1200. If it can play games this well in Vmware, I dont see a hardware problem...

May 09 2008 at 10:15 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
OlsonBW

{quote}But something is something -- the very fact that Apple is offering faster video cards is a sign that they're interested. {quote}

NO, it does NOT mean that in any way. It only means there is a slightly faster video card.

Keep on wishing all you want but pigs are not yet flying. There is a Spider Pig (Simpson's movie" but no flying pigs yet.

May 09 2008 at 10:01 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Chris

Very true. The simple fact is that the iMac will never be suitable for more than casual gaming as long as the internals remain based on laptop components. The 8800M GTS (8800 GS as Apple calls it) is about as good as it gets for laptop hardware (the GTX is a bit faster).

Only with a discrete PCI Express-based graphics card can you achieve cutting edge gaming performance - Midi Mac anyone? The iMac just ain't gonna cut it.

About 8

May 09 2008 at 10:26 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
frank d

The other thing that needs working on, but is in that same some day never land, is the mythical midi mac to fill the gap between the mini & pro. For all the obvious & objective reasons where a mini is too small, the pro is too much and the iMac is an all-in-one.

May 09 2008 at 9:55 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Hank

Most heavy gamers I know want to be able to tinker underhood anyway, so if they were considering a Mac the iMac would be last on the list, of course, as would any all-in-one.

(by the way, I like the Audi analogy above, much better)

May 09 2008 at 9:54 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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