Dell comments on Apple's green commitment, TUAW translates from PR-speak to English
Dell executive Bob Pearson decided to comment on Apple's "green" ad campaign. It was hard to understand. We were confused. Fortunately, Robert was nice enough to translate. The original post, on Dell's site, is here.
"Several Dell folks were surprised and perplexed to see Apple's new 'green' MacBook ad since its release last month and we've been watching the discussions in the blogosphere. After chatting with our environmental teams about the topic, we realized that instead of ignoring it, we should have a conversation about the real meaning of being green from the viewpoint of a Fortune 500 company."
In a desperate attempt to dredge up this environment issue from October, I bought lunch for a few of my subordinates, ordered them to be in the "Sunset Plains" conference room at noon, and told them we would be discussing this.
"Our view is that companies who choose to lead have an obligation to be open and transparent. We have a responsibility to engage in dialogue about the environment, whether we agree or disagree with an individual person or group. It all contributes to the greater good."
We like to sit around and shoot the breeze about stuff. When there isn't enough breeze-shooting, we shoot it ourselves, con-sarn it.
"What is not good is to skip steps, avoid dialogue and pray that people aren't smart enough to figure it out. That doesn't help any of us and it certainly doesn't further the environmental cause for those of us who care deeply about it."
Honestly, talking is the only thing we do well.
"It is important to listen, learn, ask more questions and be willing to admit it when you are wrong. We don't recall Apple joining the conversation about the environment, either via key conferences or the blogosphere or via reporter meetings."
While Steve Jobs wrote this open letter to everyone on Earth, they are not communicating with people via homing pigeon, telegram, or bicycle courier.
"In fact, we believe Apple employees are not allowed to blog, as far as we can tell. If you want to make 'big claims,' you should be willing to tell 'big stories' in an open environment and let others critique your efforts. Don't skip this step and go right to ads that may not even be truthful."
I am as high as a kite.
"We have repeatedly said we want to be the greenest technology company on the planet. This is our aspiration. It really motivates us inside Dell to chase this goal. It's very different than saying "we have the greenest laptops," which Apple has said. Apple hasn't stated any goals, just made claims, which as far as we can tell, are not accurate."
Don't look at this page. There are no goals on that page. Don't. Stop it! You're clicking! Why are you clicking?
"Our Latitude E-series makes energy efficiency, the use of BFR/PVC-free components and the elimination of mercury a priority. They were designed and built with the environment and easy accessibility in mind, arguably more so than the Macbook. In our view, our work is far from over, but we're encouraged by the progress we are making."
We're not actually removing BFR and PVC from our products by the end of 2009, like we promised.
"We are highly focused on tangible actions, not rhetoric. It was in one of our regular sustainability meetings that Michael challenged us to offer free recycling worldwide for consumers. A big goal and we did it. We hope Apple does the same someday."
Oh, wait. (See update below.)
"We challenged ourselves in 2007 to meet a carbon-neutral goal for our operations in 2008 and we did it in August, about five months ahead of schedule. We hope Apple decides to do the same."
We don't actually know if this is true, but it sure sounds good.
"We challenged ourselves to see how much packaging we could reduce and this led to our recent announcement that we'll eliminate 20 million pounds of laptop and desktop shipping materials. Again, same point."
I have not seen a new MacBook box, and I don't plan to. I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALA.
"It's why we ask our primary suppliers to disclose GHG emissions data during quarterly business reviews. It's why we have green teams at Dell inside our company continually telling us how we can improve our lighting or flooring or any other aspect of our facilities. And it's why our engineers remain highly focused on ensuring our product line becomes increasingly green across the board. It's become a point of pride for our employees to reach and exceed each goal."
As long as it's a bullet in a PowerPoint, I'm told our people love to make it happen.
"We wish Apple would be more bold in making a difference rather than making ads. If they do both, then fantastic, run all the ads you want. But don't forget what this is all about. And, remember, we're just getting started."
Run all the ads you want, Apple.
(With apologies for the length, and to John Gruber.)
Update: Commenters have pointed out that the program I linked to is only available in the contiguous 48 United States. I didn't mean to mislead: Apple operates recycling programs in the continental US and Canada, Europe, Taiwan, and Japan. According to Apple, they operate or participate in recycling programs in regions where more than 95% of their products are sold. Thanks, Adam!
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The problem with this article is that the author thought that it was possible to easily duplicate a Gruber-esque response to this market speak. You sir are no John Gruber!
December 23 2008 at 3:51 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWe've been pointing out for a while the big gap between Apple's actual performance (environment and otherwise) and its carefully crafted brand image. At Vanno, Apple is #57 out of the 65 electronics companies reported on by our users:
http://vanno.com/company/apple?category_id=47
Dell's big sales building in Oklahoma City keeps that whole parking lot lit up like daytime all through the night even though it is empty. How is that green?
December 22 2008 at 12:38 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAt least Dell makes computers with all those supposedly harmful materials.
All Mac does with the same amount of crap is make extremely overpriced webcams.
Oh, and since we're linking to GreenPeace, why don't we have a looksee at Apple's ranking: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/reports/greener-electronics-apple-rank-2
and here is the 2008 version...you linked the one from 2006
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/press/reports/greener-electronics-apple-rank-5
It's worth pointing out that Apple in fact does not have worldwide recycling. The claim made in the Dell blog/post/whatever is true.
I didn't bother following up on the rest of that because it's pretty obvious this post was written to appeal to an echo chamber rather than make any relevant points, but Dell's got a pretty solid green strategy - I think they have sustainability reports on their website that get to 80 pages, dating back the past two or three years. Apple's website was okay, but pretty well lacking.
Thanks for mentioning that, Adam, and I've updated the post with more information about Apple's recycling programs in Europe, Taiwan, and Japan.
December 21 2008 at 6:53 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAccording to Greenpeace, Dell still leads Apple:
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greener-electronics-guide-nov2008
Take it for what it's worth. But this article is reason why people hate the fanboy attitude. Personally, I find Dell's hardware to be excellent for running Ubuntu on. When I can't use a Mac, I'd rather have a Dell.
This is about Apple's ad saying MS should spend less money on advertising and more on fixing Vista. Dell doesn't make computers, it makes boxes which run a leased operating system. There's a whole lot of appendage envy going on here.
December 21 2008 at 2:42 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThe article is great. For those of you who don't understand it, or think its snide, etc.. its supposed to be funny. Take the stick out of your pooper and laugh a little. You may also want to check out Engadget.. there are plenty of anti-apple fanatics over there that you can banter with.
December 21 2008 at 2:41 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI have tried multiple times now to register and then comment on this dell guys blog - but I never come through ? Anyone else got this problem ? Have they made it impossinle to send comments cuz they now see how stupid that post was ?
Hope TUAW follows up on this
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