iDVD - black sheep of the iLife suite
For me, iDVD has always been the redheaded stepchild of the iLife suite. While I've used Garageband to make songs, iPhoto to manage photos (until I got Aperture), iWeb to make websites, and iMovie to make movies, until recently I'd never once tried to use iDVD to put together a DVD project. I've spent the past week trying to put together a DVD of our first year in New Zealand to share with our family back in the States, and while the movie's turned out great, getting there has definitely not been half the fun.Creating the movie itself was somewhat of a chore. Because I haven't yet upgraded to iLife '09, I'm stuck with the much-maligned tinker-toy interface introduced in iMovie '08. I couldn't use iMovie HD instead, because it's not compatible with my hard disk-based camcorder. After several days of wrestling with iMovie '08 to get it to do what I wanted it to do, I finally had a 95-minute project ready.
At "professional quality" in iDVD, that 95-minute project left me with almost a third of the DVD unused, so I decided to add more content, including a slideshow with 300+ pictures and two more short movies in an "extras" menu.
This turned out to be my downfall. Suddenly, iDVD no longer wanted to co-operate with me.
First iDVD claimed I didn't have enough space on the disc, saying it needed 8 GB of space when only 5 GB was free. This resulted in several minutes of me alternately swearing and scratching my head, because neither of those numbers made sense -- the DVD was only 4.2 GB, and the amount of data I was asking it to hold was only 4.02. After about five minutes I realized it was talking about my hard drive and not the DVD -- it was late, I was tired, the sun was in my eyes, et cetera. After moving some stuff to my Firewire drive, including the iMovie project folder (that ominous sound you just heard is foreshadowing), I had more than enough room on my hard disk to complete the project.
Only now, iDVD threw up another error, saying it couldn't find the relevant media. It seems that iDVD isn't smart enough to dynamically look elsewhere for the content it needs. So rather than bother moving the iMovie projects folder back to my hard drive, I just pulled the rendered movies themselves from my Movies folder instead.
Then iDVD gave me another error - this time, I had too many minutes of content on the disc. Apparently, even if you're below the data limit, you can't go over the minute limit. Needless to say, this seems REALLY stupid, but whatever. I gave up on fitting everything I wanted on the disc, and got rid of the extra two movies. If people want to watch them so bad, they can find them on my MobileMe gallery, I said.
And that, right there, is exactly why iDVD bites. Making a 95-minute video only to have it languish on your hard drive because some stupid program doesn't know how to efficiently burn it onto a piece of plastic is so backward, it hurts. It's like trying to ice skate uphill.
And this is the program after years of improvement. I can only imagine what it must have been like to try to use iDVD 2.0. The horror.
As I write this, iDVD is finally doing its thing and burning the movie and slideshow to a disc. Because it's rendering in professional quality, it says it's going to take over five hours to burn the disc, so I will leave it to do its thing overnight as I sleep. But at this point, I fully expect to wake up tomorrow morning and come to find my MacBook Pro has thrown up yet another error message. "Burn failed" it'll say, and it may or may not give me a reason which may or may not make sense, and then I may or may not go full Godzilla on the Manawatu region of New Zealand. We'll see when I wake up.
Later...
I see a disc jutting out of the front of my MacBook Pro. So at least it's done.
No error messages on the screen. But does that mean the burn was actually successful? Time to check.
The burned DVD goes into my PlayStation 3, and I cross my fingers.
The DVD menu comes up. The first thing my wife and I notice, to our early morning chagrin, is the DVD audio is LOUD. For some unknown reason, the audio on the DVD has rendered so loud that we can only have the volume on the TV a couple ticks above zero.
The second thing I notice is the vibrancy of the color. The colors seem to "pop" a lot more on my TV's display when playing the DVD through the PS3 than they did on my MacBook Pro. Reds seem oversaturated, which leads to people kind of looking a bit sunburnt, but I'm willing to live with that.
Despite the LOUD audio and the slightly oversaturated color, I'm pleased with the results. If the process involved hadn't been so incredibly frustrating, this post might have been a paean to iDVD's virtues rather than a condemnation of its many annoyances.
Two things I have learned from this experience:
1. iMovie '08 is a terrible video editing tool. I'm getting iLife '09 or '10 before I try to do anything else with video on my MacBook Pro. The results I got for my movie were great, but I spent more time working around iMovie 08's limitations than I did actually editing the movie.
2. Making a DVD is way more of a pain than just uploading a movie to my MobileMe site, which is what I think I'm going to do next year and from now on. Everyone I know who will actually want to watch our movies has a broadband connection, so it makes less sense for us to shell out money for blank DVD-Rs every year and go through the hassle of mailing them when we visit the States when we can just push a button to upload the thing to MobileMe instead and go do something else for a while.
I'm sure that's why every other aspect of iLife gained improvements in '09 and iDVD just gets stability updates. The agony of making a DVD just isn't worth the effort.
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I am using imovie 9 and trying to prepare my 45 minute video for idvd.
AFter an hour of preparing, in the last minute it get the 2125 error message.
Very frustrating.' When I used imovie 6 and made a movie of siilar length, I had no problem.
Hi,
iDVD also changes 4:3 films and stretches them into 16:9. Then they look rubbish. In this case you need to change the aspect ratio of the movie.
A simple program that can do this for you is:
Anamorphizer
http://homepage.mac.com/sith33/FileSharing34.html
Incredible that Apple hasn't built that in. It is extremely annoying to make a movie and after hours of rendering the DVD comes out wrongly... At least with Anamorphizer this can be corrected.
As Apple always touts how easy things are with the Mac... well, with iDVD it is pretty difficult to get everything right. Often one needs to go back and redo the entire project. In terms of ease of use and power to adapt a project to the user's preferences, iDVD can be optimised a lot!
Dan.
RTFM
I find iDVD a dream to use. A bit tedious maybe, but for the money it is a joy to use if you don' t need professional results for which you would use DVD Studio Pro.
And as far as the audio volume is concerned, if you had taken the trouble to read the manual, you would have noticed, that you can adjust the volume in iMovie quite easily.
I wonder why you expect to be a pro at using a program when you use it for the first time. And when the results are not what you expect you blame the program instead of your lack of patience and expertise.
iDVD is a great little program, and yes, it has it's limitations. If you want more, get Final Cut Studio, and you'll really have something to complain about. Not because it's bad, but because of the complexity and steep learning curve, something which you do not seem to have patience for.
I meant to say:
And as far as the audio volume in the menu is concerned, if you had taken the trouble to read the manual, you would have noticed, that you can adjust the volume in iDVD quite easily.
I recently used iDVD for the first time last week and found it to be rather nice. By no means perfect but it did what i wanted and converted my video and burned 70mins of content in just over an hour on my little aluminum Mac Book( which is about 4 hours faster than my dell). I found the premade menus to be much nicer than nero.
If you didn't know that you can't exceed the time limit when in video format you must not do this very often, that right there is DVD 101. This is why CD players that read mp3 data disc's were popular, you could put hundreds of songs rather than 80 minutes.
The program can improve, but in this case so could the user.
A few other tips and a couple of comments:
1. Make sure you have plenty of free space on your startup drive, as iDVD needs temp space before creating the actual disc image that will be burned to your DVD.
2. iMovie 9 is great for quick edits that you need to do; FCE is even better, but takes time to master.
3. for iDVD, make a disc image first so it can be saved. Burning directly to disc will mostly be a disappointment until you get the hang of things.
I have edited and burned quite a few lacrosse game discs this year, and have had my share of problems due to the short time frames involved, and my learning curve. It is rare now that I have any problems. iMovie 9 is great for these. Also helpful is Turbo HD from El Gato, as iMovie can take considerable time making the QT reference movie - sure it is not an automatic link to iDVD, but time saving when working with HDV. My workflow: iMovie9 -> export using Turbo HD for the refernece movie -> iDVD. Saves a few hours on my Macbook Pro.
If I don't need the iDVD themes, taking the QT reference movie over to my Q600/Vista PC and using Sony's DVD Architect speeds things up considerably, and the DVD quality is also quite good. Even better is it's ability to make Blu-ray discs with menus for HD video. YEs, Toast can do some of this, but not nearly as fast, since the Turbo HD does not help with DVD mastering (DVDs require MPEG-2, and Turbo HD only outputs H.264.
One common theme in many "complaint reviews" is that the writer simply does not have the time to read the documentation, experiment to get more proficient, and then reflect how they got from start to finish. Their reviews could be better if they had a frame of reference to other tools to make a more comparative review.
There are many video editing tools and DVD authoring tools available to Mac and PC users. iMovie and iDVD are some of the most cost effective tools for the average user. Perfect? No way, but pretty good none the less.
iMovie 08 and 09 are not designed for professionals to edit a Hollywood movie. They are designed for the amateur family videographer who wants a simple intuitive video editing program. It was designed to edit, title and have fun with small video projects without having previous video editing experience or special expertise. It's a different paradigm then the older version of iMovie. The same theory applies to iDVD. It was not designed to produce video store ready DVDs on your Mac.
I have edited, with iMovie 08 and burned DVDs with iDVD 08, many home movies without any problems. It takes a few hours to render the video into a DVD or disk image on my G5 iMac because it is not a professional video editing work station. If you want to do more with video editing, then buy Final Cut Express and a Mac Pro. If you want to go to Hollywood and become a professional movie editor, then buy the full version of Final Cut Studio, a Mac Pro and then enroll in a film or video program at a university like UCLA. Otherwise, just have some fun with your home video and realize the limitations of the iLife suite.
Did you miss the video tutorials?
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/movies/imovie08.html
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/movies/idvd.html
It's a poor workman who blames his tools.
as a redhead - f u.
insensitivity and ignorance uggh.
I love iDVD! I use it all the time and create large projects. It always works well for me. The one trick I suggest is burn to disc image and nit directly to disc. Toasts menus languish way behind iDVD. I have toast as well.
June 26 2009 at 10:11 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplySo you try to create a DVD and did not take the time to do a small amount of homework before you started. The colors being "off", I guess you don't know how to adjust the gamma on your Mac make to match TV. The load menu volume? maybe you should have reviewed the properties for the music, the you would have noticed the volume control. If you are going to write a review about a product at least take a bit of time to learn it instead of whining about it, and declaring it not worth the effort to use. It works fine, if you take the time to learn it. If you don't want to do that hire someone else to do it for you.
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