Apple rumored not to renew contract with NVIDIA for graphics chips
If the two companies cannot reach an agreement, NVIDIA would continue to provide chips for models that currently use NVIDIA, but Apple would be likely to drop NVIDIA chipsets in updates to their product line, particularly in iMacs and MacBooks currently based on Intel's Nehalem architecture.
A significant factor in the disagreement is the way NVIDIA handled the graphics failures of MacBook Pros carrying the GeForce 8600M video chipset, which had a tendency to overheat and eventually stop working. Apple had to extend the warranty on MBP
The relationship between Intel and NVIDIA hasn't exactly helped, either. Both businesses filed opposing lawsuits over NVIDIA's license to make mainboard chipsets with their own internal memory controllers. If Intel wins, NVIDIA could not make another chipset like its GeForce 9400M model that supports Core i7 processors, and would oust NVIDIA from Macs by exclusion.
Neither Apple nor NVIDIA have publicly spoken on the matter so far. Apple does have a history of severing relationships almost without warning, as they dropped ATI (now AMD) from Power Mac G4s after the company revealed Apple's plans ahead of a Macworld keynote address. However, if Apple does indeed drop NVIDIA, they may have to return to AMD in order to maintain their current graphics standard.
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The relationship between Apple and NVIDIA, the manufacturer of the graphics chips in most Macs for quite some time now, appears to be...
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They buyed a cell chips company right?
July 03 2009 at 12:00 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyConsidering this is a rumor from a site run by a former editor at the TheInq and they have a long history or attacking nVidia for often no reason, there is no reason to take this seriously. I'm sure there are some fierce negotiations in process, but the way the GPU market has narrowed to just kick nVidia to the curb would not be good for either company.
This is a rumor that is being repeated far too often, and let's not forget how popular the 9400m is as well.
This comes as no big shock...Apple's working on something that's not getting enough press...http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/28/apple-steve-jobs-technology-enterprise-tech-apple.html?partner=whiteglove_google
July 03 2009 at 5:51 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI wouldn't count on it much of them killing their nVidia contract considering Dell has had some nasty words with them too (they were hit just as hard with the 8 series mobile defects) yet their laptops still use nVidia GPUs.
July 02 2009 at 2:57 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThat is true but Apple more than Dell has a much higher image to protect. Dell will always be Dell, consumers will always go back because it's well priced. Apple on the other hand, they advertised themselves as the computer that just works, it's the perfect computer but when you start having problems like the 8600 GPU, people start to think why they're paying more than a Dell. It's not Apple's fault, they don't make the GPU but the average consumer doesn't see like that. Apple put themselves in the position where they have to consider that a manufacturers fault is their fault so Apple has to find ways to minimize that and the whole GPU problem is a good enough reason for Apple to reconsider. Like the article said, with Intel and their CPU's in the future, NVIDIA might not be the solution if they're unable to produce chips.
July 02 2009 at 8:08 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replyi hope they build there own, so it can fail and their arrogance can finally be rewarded. above comment is completely right.
July 02 2009 at 2:47 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyApple accuses another company of "arrogance." That's rich.
July 02 2009 at 2:01 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply"Apple had to extend the warranty on MBP models sold from June 2007 to October 2008 to three years"
I wish. But alas, no, this is not true. Apple WILL fix issues related to the GPU issue for 3 years. But my warranty hasn't been extended. Or the words from Apple's mouth that you linked already above...
"If the NVIDIA graphics processor in your MacBook Pro has failed, or fails within three years of the original date of purchase, a repair will be done free of charge, even if your MacBook Pro is out of warranty."
yeha, i got excited, followed this up.
another simple fix is to insert "the graphics card in" between on and MBP.
I don't see this happening, considering that ATI has had numerous problems themselves: huge delays on their cards for the high-end iMacs, overheating in iMacs, etc.
July 02 2009 at 1:29 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyCharlie Demerjian, always bashing nVidia.
He also said that Dell has eliminated nVidia from all his computers
To be clear, I didn't say any of those were the most likely outcome. I just figured it's worth looking at alternatives. Apple has a lot of money and power; they're not like a consumer at Fry's who has to choose between two existing options.
To rebut:
1) Sure. It's unlikely, and would certainly never be incorporated into Apple entirely, but as a wholly-owned subsidiary, NVIDIA would guarantee Apple a lot of input into where desktop graphics are going, position them better for gaming, and put Microsoft in a difficult position vis-a-vis DirectX and Xbox. It may not be a great idea; it is positively something Apple could do that's worth at least thinking about.
2) Apple users care a lot less about GPU memory bus widths than many PC users. If Apple releases a Mac with Intel graphics that perform well, the only people steering clear strictly because of the Intel name will be overclockers and extreme geeks (I am one, BTW). That's not a market Apple is after. "Professionals", who use their computers for Internet apps, productivity apps, and maybe media purposes really don't care about the history of the manufacturer of the graphics chip. If it works, they won't care.
3) Indeed, like I said, it's pretty unlikely, and it's not a solution you'd decide to do today. But Apple is crafty, and they're making good choices at the API level with Cocoa across OS X and iPhone. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they've been working on graphics for a couple of years. Again, not at all likely, but it *is* something to consider before jumping to the "it's either NVIDIA or AMD" conclusion.
And I really don't see Apple getting into the Intel/NVIDIA dispute. Maybe they'll lean on Intel a bit, but they are so intertwined with Intel right now that I don't see them looking for government involvement (note that Apple can't sue Intel for monopoly violations or anti-competitive behavior; they'd have to petition the FTC or another government body). It would just be too damaging to the relationship.
Me, I think NVIDIA looks at Apple's recent press barrage and blinks, offering lower prices and some kind of back end protection in the event of future defects (which NVIDIA could hedge with an insurer, since a $1B hit would be devastating to them). But Apple positively has a world of options here.
Apple won't bother buying nVidia outright if they don't have to. It'd be better for them strategically to just buy a significant chunk of nVidia without taking a majority stake. That said, I think the status quo is still the most likely outcome.
July 02 2009 at 3:28 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAgreed. I never meant to suggest otherwise. And a minority stake is possible. Off the top of my head, I'd say:
74% - Status quo, contract renegotiated and it works
10% - Apple takes minority or majority interest in NVIDIA
10% - Apple goes with Intel for GPU
5% - Apple goes with AMD
1% - Apple announces Apple GPU hardware
The only reason I'm rating the Intel option that high is the potential that Intel has some cool unannounced stuff that integrates GPU/CPU/chipset with low power, high performance, low part count benefits for mobile applications.
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