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I have been waiting for Logos for Mac, the Bible research application suite, for over a year. I take that back: I have been waiting for Logos for the Mac for over five years, when I first switched to Mac after a brief and unfortunate experience in the Windows world.

Before we go any further I must stop to address the fear which has already gripped many Mac users. Let me say this clearly: this is no hastily slapped together Mac "port" of a Windows application. In fact 15 seconds into the introductory video, they proudly announce: "What we've done for the Mac is rebuild it from the ground up."

You can tell.

Logos for Mac looks and feels like a native Mac application. How native? If you can copy a passage from Logos to Microsoft Word for Mac, it automatically creates a footnote in APA, BibTex, Chicago, Harvard, MLA, Refer-BiblX, RIS, SBL, or Turabian format (whichever you choose in the preferences). As someone who has no love for footnoting, this may be my favorite feature of any piece of software ever.

There are also Mac-specific support videos to help you learn to use the software and native Mac "Help" available in the application itself.

The Mac version does not support all of the Windows features, although they say they "plan to add many of these features in upcoming versions." You can see a list of some of those features on a chart of features covered at Camp Logos, a two-day training seminar for Logos users. The same page also makes it clear that they have been thinking about Mac users for these seminars, and in fact usually have someone there who is a Mac user to help if needed.


Don't let the fact that they offer a seminar to learn how to use the software scare you. The website describes it as "Easy enough for a novice, powerful enough for a scholar, now on a Mac!" The videos mentioned above are highly recommended, as this is a powerful piece of software. It is often said that most users only use 20% of any application's features. I've used Microsoft Word and iWork's Pages application for years and have no doubt that I could benefit from a couple days instruction from someone who really knew the applications inside and out.

The challenge for Logos is that their customer base covers a very wide range of potential users: from casual users who want to do some personal Bible study to pastors preparing sermons to academics using it for detailed and in-depth study. Casual users who watch the videos should learn enough to feel comfortable using the application.

There five different versions available. They all use the same core application, the only difference is which books are included. For that reason they are referred to as "libraries":

  1. Bible Study Library ($259.95) (See what's included in Bible Study library)
  2. Leader's Library ($309.95) (See what's included in Leader's library)
  3. Scholar's Library ($629.95) ( See what's included in Scholar's library)
  4. Scholar's Library: Silver ($999.95) (See what's included in Silver library)
  5. Scholar's Library: Gold ($1,379.95) (See what's included in Gold library)

The list of available resources is pretty amazing. The "Gold" version includes "700 titles worth more than $11,700.00" if you purchased the print versions (not to mention finding space to store them all!). That's less than 12% of the total price of the "dead tree" versions. Even the "Bible Study Library" boasts and impressive collection of approximately 150 titles.

It is important to note that once these Library items are purchased, you own them; only the application itself will have to be updated in the future (as opposed to, for example, some very well known photo-manipulation software which costs several hundred dollars even for an upgrade). These library items are investments which you should have for the rest of your computer-using life.

If you have both Windows and Mac computers, you can install the software on both computers (up to two personally owned computers), and the Mac version even includes an installer for Windows. This can also come in handy if you have setup Boot Camp. If you have previously purchased library items from a Windows version of the Logos software, you can also use those on your Mac as well. See the FAQ for more details. There is also a Mac disclaimer page you should read if you are switching over from the Windows version. I would recommend getting in touch with Mac customer support (email and phone numbers are provided on the previously mentioned page).

Mac users have been second-class citizens in the Biblical software world. I have tried some of the other well known "names" and found their Mac versions to be fairly unsatisfactory, and their Mac technical support to be difficult to access or non-existent. (One company required that all support requests be sent through a web form which didn't even list the Mac version of their software.) Logos has taken their time to come into the Mac world as a company which has tried to understand how Mac users think and work. No, the software doesn't have a 1:1 feature parity with the Windows version yet, but it seems clear that the Mac community is important to folks at Logos and they have invested a lot to bring something worthwhile to the Mac world.

Normally I would devote more time to explaining how the application works, but the introductory video does a much better job of this than I could. (Note that the demo videos are all done in Quicktime, and download links for Desktop and iPhone versions are available.) I have only begun using the software in the past week or so, and already have used it more than another Bible software program that I have owned (and upgraded!) for several years. As bonus to those of you who have read this far, don't miss the free Bible verse Dashboard widget which is also available from Logos.



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hugmup

The one problem I have with Bible software, PC or Mac, is that it is generally padded with a lot of 19th-century public-domain commentaries and reference works that are completely outdated and slanted to the Reform tradition, or that include topical indexes that are tendentious to modern issues. I'd much prefer Bible software that is just Bible software, with the ancient church Fathers (light on the Augustine, please) and possibly the Councils through 787.

August 29 2009 at 10:02 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Joseph

blueletterbible.com is cross platform and allows you to do quite a bit. One of my fav's is parsing greek and hebrew verbs.

August 28 2009 at 2:55 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tim

Fantastic post - I am so glad to see people reporting on things of importance - Based on your post here I actually called up Logos and got Butler University started with the process of being a part of the schools that they work with ordered a copy of the Leaders Library as I was looking through this set - I was simply blown away by how much there was and how many great resources I will now have access to leading teams and one day my own ministry.

Once again thank you for posting this and making me realize that there actually is some good Bible study software out there for the Mac. I actually did a search last week in an attempt to find a solution and was very happy to see this endorsement and post by yourself.

Once again fantastic post and I am saddened by the amount of users offended by such a post which was written with utter taste and no hint of evangelism.

Keep up the great work!
Tim

August 27 2009 at 10:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Hamish

Actually it was Christians who helped abolish slavery, established hospitals and continue to do "good works" looking after to poor and the sick.

Centre for Public Christianity http://www.publicchristianity.org/ has some good resources here.

August 27 2009 at 10:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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james

Christian's were also those that supported those same things, and used the Bible to perpetuate them. Kind of like the gay marriage issue, or the war in Iraq. Yes, there were moral stalwarts who stood and fought for what was right, but for the overwhelming majority, religion was, and is, used to support the inhumanity and oppression.

August 28 2009 at 6:26 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
james

My real fear, wasn't that this was a quick port, but that a site I liked is inhabited by religious freaks. I don't resent your right to believe, just resent the sheer stupidity of the religious, and the horrible harm they do to society.

I'm sure you can spend time refuting the idea by citing exceptions, but in fact, religion heavily correlates with the degree of impoverishment of society.

August 27 2009 at 9:17 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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JJN

I had the Windows version of the software, and was excited to get the Mac version. When I got the Mac Version, it was a $60 upgrade, or you could buy some new books and get it free (which I did). All updates since then are free. This was for me as an existing user.

My Experience with Logos:Mac has been stellar. It seems so much faster than the Windows version (always felt sluggish before) and has a smaller impact on my system. One thing missing that I'd prefer to have (which is available on the Windows client) is the ability to change Bible versions from a drop-down menu right above your Bible. It's just a tiny bit harder to change versions, but you can still compare parallel versions and all that.

I love Logos:Mac and would highly recommend you get the Scholar's Library (the $600 one) at least. Those of you who are Bible college students should check out if your school has anything set up with Logos. I got it discounted at the beginning of my senior year, a promotion they had every year that I coveted.

August 27 2009 at 5:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
punkassjim

TJ,

I'd sincerely like to apologize for the state of the world today, and the sad fact that you can't post a newsworthy item like this without being bombarded by insults. I'm sure you're just fine, and don't need my input…but I am truly embarrassed by these people.

I follow you on Twitter and Tumblr, and I'm among your upcoming postcard recipients. I had no idea you studied religion in any way, shape or form. I'm surprised you do, and I don't share that particular interest, but I gained respect for you because of this post. Mainly because of your matter-of-fact presentation of information that is relevant and welcomed by many people. Even if I'm not among them, I can appreciate that. But I also gained respect for you because this is something I didn't know about you. My thanks to you for caring about bible studies, and for not assuming that your readers/followers/audience do (or will, or should). It means you respect us. And I respect you for it.

Sincerely,
Jim

August 27 2009 at 4:56 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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LifeSux

hey jim,

open your other eye and maybe you will start to see things as they really are. we are all very glad to see that you are "saddened" to find out that many in this world do not agree with your absurd beliefs. maybe you can transform you unhappiness into something more positive?

August 28 2009 at 3:52 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
punkassjim

@ak: Apparently, reading isn't your strong suit. Could you please define for me what "my absurd beliefs" are? Because, as I said in my post, I don't share TJ's beliefs.

More specifically, I said I don't share his interest in religion. What's the difference, you might ask? The difference is, given what he's written, all I know is that TJ has an interest in studying a book. I have no idea, from what he's written, whether or not he's even a christian, and I'm glad I don't know. You? You assumed you know what he believes, and why he studies that book. Christ, you even assumed you know what _I_ believe, and you're dead-f***ing-wrong.

So, let's recap: I know how to read, and I respect people enough to think before I post. And when I considered all the bullsh** that's been posted here, I felt the need to apologize for all the asshats. And, for the record, I am not "saddened." I see that it is sad. As in, "you are a sad, sorry excuse for a human being, and you need to learn some manners."

Positive enough for ya?

August 28 2009 at 6:20 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Leo M.

LOL

I read the article and scrolled down to the comments thinking "surely I won't see classless remarks that I see on other sites when it comes to anything to do with the Bible or Jesus, this is a mac site...right?"

I was wrong. Quite disappointed actually. I've always thought of Mac users as a group, as open minded, tolerant. I was wrong again...

August 27 2009 at 3:42 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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no name

i would really like for TUAW to keep anything even remotely religion related out of my sight.

thanks.

August 27 2009 at 3:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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punkassjim

Thank you for defining the word intolerance.

August 27 2009 at 4:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Rick

TJ, why did you wait for Logos instead of get Accordance?

August 27 2009 at 2:07 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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