You can't always trust Drobo Dashboard

Is your Drobo up to date? Don't trust Drobo Dashboard for the answer.
Drobo and I have not been getting along this week. I have two Drobo units: a FireWire model and a USB model. I moved them to my office last week, and the USB model started complaining about being low on space. The Drobo Dashboard showed drives in all four bays, and since I hadn't been low on space before, I was confused as to what had happened. About a day later, I checked again (after working hard to delete anything unnecessary) and it showed a missing drive in one of the bays. Not a failed drive, but a missing drive. I shut the Drobo down completely, ejected the drive, and mounted it back on the iMac.
Suddenly I had a lot of free space, but Drobo was acting like I had just put in a new hard drive. It took two days for it to sort itself out.
Everything seemed fine until I was using my iMac a few days later. Suddenly, my iMac said "You have ejected [my FireWire Drobo] without unmounting it." I told it that I had done no such thing, I hadn't ejected anything. I couldn't get the Drobo to remount, even after rebooting. It would work via USB, and it would work via FireWire with my MacBook Pro, but not with the iMac.
I worked with AppleCare to diagnose the problem, and they asked me if my Drobo firmware was up to date. I said it was, and that it was one of the first things I had checked, using the latest version of Drobo Dashboard. My answer was true... except that Drobo Dashboard wasn't telling me about the latest firmware.
I spent all day on Friday talking with AppleCare, running diagnostics, driving back to my house to get my original install CDs, calling AppleCare again, running more tests, and finally having them agree to send a technician out to replace the logic board on my iMac. He arrived this morning (Tuesday) and spent an hour doing the replacement.
About an hour later, the Drobo started acting up again. The install of Snow Leopard was only a week old and I had a completely new logic board, so I was starting to suspect the Drobo. I called Drobo support and their tech asked me if I was running the latest version of the firmware.
"Oh yes," I said with confidence, "I checked in Drobo Dashboard this morning."
"There's a newer version on our website," he replied.
My blood pressure tripled. Sure enough, I have 1.3.5 and, according to Drobo's own release notes, their Drobo Firmware 1.3.6 was released on February 3, 2010. It is posted on their website. It is not a beta. It is released software. They just "aren't pushing it" out to customers.
If I click a "Check for Updates" button in your app, and you have a new, non-beta update on your website, it fills me with a certain degree of rage when your application sits there and lies shamelessly. This is not a debatable point, it's a matter of trust.
I downloaded the latest version of the firmware (1.3.6, as of this writing), opened the .dmg file, and copied the "v.136.tdz" file to my Desktop. Then I held down the control key as I clicked "Check for Updates" in Drobo Dashboard, which brought up a regular "Open" window where I could select the "v.136.tdz" file. I updated the Drobo to firmware version 1.3.6 (Note, usually disclaimers apply: if you decide to upgrade your firmware, be sure to backup your data first, etc.).
And suddenly my Drobo works fine with my iMac.
Of course this prompts the question, "Did I really need to have the logic board replaced on my iMac?" It's entirely possible that I did. Ever since my iMac complained about the FireWire drive being ejected when I didn't eject it, I could not even mount the Drobo. After the new logic board, I could mount it, but Finder would hang and I would have to shut down the iMac and disconnect the Drobo before the iMac would finish rebooting.
On the other hand, that's not really the point. The point is that, when it really mattered, Drobo Dashboard failed to provide me with correct information. The last thing that anyone wants is to doubt what their software tells them.
To their credit, Drobo's phone tech support was able to solve the problem, and did so free of charge for a product that is out of warranty. However, chances are I wouldn't have had to call at all if they hadn't decided to not tell users about an update, even when those users specifically checked for it.
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Is your Drobo up to date? Don't trust Drobo Dashboard for the answer. Drobo and I have not been getting along this week. I have two Drobo...
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Rats! The USB doesn't work any better than the Firewire 800. Drobo continues to spontaneously eject during Time Machine backup.
April 20 2010 at 9:25 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThank you! For about a month my Drobo with Firewire 800 would spontaneously eject, but then come back and Time Machine would work. Then came the unhappy day when a Mac Pro drive failed then, while Drobo Dashboard said everything was OK, Mac's Disk Utility said the Drobo needed First Aid (Disk Repair) before it could be mounted and available to Time Machine. Disk Repair failed, Drobo Support suggested trying Disk Warrior to retrieve my Drobo backups. Since I had another backup, I just reformatted Drobo and Time Machine completed a backup. Then Drobo wouldn't wake up with my Mac Pro in the morning and continues to spontaneously eject in the midst of a Time Machine backup. Again, Disk Utility suggested First Aid, I ran Disk Repair and walked away. Returning, I found a message from Disk Utility saying the Drobo could not be repaired while at the same time Time Machine was doing a backup to the supposedly unrepairable Drobo. Drobo Support now suggested unplugging and rebooting my Drobo and using USB rather than Firewire 800âI had waited to buy a Drobo until it had Firewire 800. Then I found your posting. Since downloading and installing Firmware 1.3.6, I have been able to start and continue a Time Machine backup without any spontaneous ejection of the Drobo. Fingers crossed...
April 20 2010 at 7:55 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think it's worth mentioning that the release notes for the firmware update say 'This is a release for the First and Second Generation Drobo Firmware'.
I frankly don't know how many gens of Drobos there are...would be nice if someone here knew... but I just bought one a month back and it's been running great! *touchwood*
TJ - Sorry to hear about your experience. As others have stated here, the reason we release updates to the Website prior to enabling auto-updates is simply to ensure our support team can handle the increase in call volume. With well over 100,000 units in the field and a majority of these being the popular 4-bay Drobo, even a minor firmware update can end up resulting in quite a few calls.
The best way to ensure that you are always running the latest and greatest versions of firmware and dashboard - even prior to auto updates - would be to subscribe to the RSS feed for our software update page: http://www.drobo.com/support/updates.php
Regards,
Jim Sherhart
Data Robotics
Had my first gen drobo for about 2 years. Never had any issues, and device has always functioned as expected. Couldn't be happier!
March 18 2010 at 12:54 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI'm very glad somebody finally writes about a real-life Drobo experience. There is way too much marketing hype around the company, especially on tech blogs and podcasts.
Convinced by the raving opinions on the podcasts I listen to, I bought a Drobo with a Droboshare. Man, what a bad decision.
I am now through TWO Drobo replacements and no, they would not even upgrade my Drobo to a better unit. The Drobo is extremely LOUD. And I mean LOUD - it's louder than my 8-core Mac Pro!
The DroboShare is a joke. It's unreliable, will not work for superduper backups (by failing mysteriously halfway through your backup). Also, don't believe the hype about being able to move your drobo between a DroboShare and your Mac. When doing this, the DroboShare corrupted my data so badly that I had to reformat and start from scratch. Quoting Drobo Support: "... do you have a backup?".
Don't buy these things. They are not reliable.
It was loud for me too initially when I'd put this on my desk... I've since then put it on my carpet under my desk and I can run TM backups overnight while sleeping in the same room.
March 19 2010 at 9:17 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply@kinto -- your comments and attack are offensive.... did I hear you apologize? I didn't think so. OK, I clicked the link and read your missive to Ihnatko. Big deal. You won a free Drobo. Now there is a problem. You write that for a year you suspected something wasn't right relative to the blue capacity lights. Are you a fucking moron? You admit knowing something wasn't working as claimed. And you did nothing. For a year, as you wrote. It seems that after your inaction that you want to stir up shit. Maybe is good psychological relief.
I hope your problem gets resolved. If not, maybe there is something about youe karma. Is it possible you deserve to lose data for ignoring your instinct that something was wrong? Is posting hate to transfer responsibility from yourself to the company that gave you a Drobo causing your bad luck?
My comments may be unfair. Just as I feel your attack against me was unfair. But you started first, and I am responding in kind.
sorry dude...
your "You just suffer like losers, and are now exacting frustration-induced revenge." comment sounded a lot like this psycho chick who i used to fuck while software engineer geniuses sat by and complacently watched drives have read/write disasters.
my bad. don't make me enact this restraining order.
=)
I also have a Drobo S two months old on a iMac. Currently I'm talking to Data Robotics regarding issues with it not being able to copy/duplicate files from one folder on it to another folder. I'm constantly getting error 36 message, unable to copy.
Since the problem started I have been checking forums and there are a lot of people out there having many different issues. It seems that they have great marketing and design and just can't deliver on what the promise. It is a shame the product sounds so good. I have no trust in the product now and I am looking for another storage/backup solution.
I own, or have owned, a Drobo (USB only), DroboShare (given away with the Drobo to a nephew), Drobo (FireWire 800 model), and a DroboPro. I live near Santa Cruz in the Bay Area, and am amazed that my Drobos didn't crap out and loose my media even after suffering several PG&E storm induced blackouts.
The only product I've had issues with was the DroboPro -- performance dropped after I load a ton of photos to it. I worked through problems with Drobo's support team. Their Tier 1 and 2 are nothing special -- just your typical script reading phone answering reps. This is true of EVERY other company. I pushed to get to get help from their top tier, tier 3. These guys (gals too?) are really good.
From my experience I've learned that try to minimize updating their entire customer base unless a release is "critical" -- whatever that term means, I couldn't get it defined. It seems to me that they are responsive by issuing updates for what would otherwise be minor (i.e. not "critical") bugs.
To TUAM poster TJ, I say: I understand your frustration and rage over the problem you had. But I do think you are SPECULATING in blaming a Drobo firmware release as solving the problems. Others have dumped on you and your actions. I want to make a different point -- by writing for TUAW you have a big soap box and loud voice.
You acted in a reckless manner daming the company. Why? Your story shows you were pissed off and reacted badly at something a Drobo support person told you.
IF you wanted to be RESPONSIBLE, you would have proceeded to understand what changed caused your Drobo to suddenly work. Did you send them a log file from your Drobo? Did you send them the Console log on your Mac? Did you even look at it? Did you try re-booting your Drobo after your Mac's logic board was replaced? Did you _____ ... you see, there are lots of subtle interactions, none of which you described so that we must conclude you didn't do any of them.
To sum up, you had a problem, after action by both Apple and Drobo, your problems are now solved. The glass is half full, you chose to broadcast that it was half empty.
Regarding many of the other posters: I don't deny you had problems (although one early post seems bogus, from a hater who used a disguised name using "Drobo" as its root). I observe that most of you are just pissing on the company, you didn't describe taking any action to solve your problems. You just suffer like losers, and are now exacting frustration-induced revenge.
@joe perro...
if i had to guess, drobo unleashed their PR clean-up team in the form of YOU.
if you read my post regarding this (directly above yours) YES, the rep is nice... but NO i do not expect to regain my lost data...
data robotics markets it as a fail-safe "just replace the bad drive" mass storage device and this simply isn't true.
if the drobo fails you don't just lose the data on one drive, you lose it all.
thank you for bring drobo problems to light. i posted a comment to andy ihnatko's blog about my problems.
http://ihnatko.com/2008/02/18/sun-times-drobo-and-droboshare/#comment-56103
since my write up there the drobo won't even power up with the drives installed. with the drives removed my mac will not recognize it as legit. the drobo dashboard does, but says it needs to be initialized.
i've been working with a nice and responsive rep at drobo for a few days now, but have come to grips with the fact that i'll probably lose all the data i was trusting to the (safe- ha!) drobo except what i fortunately still have backed up to some older drives that have been sitting in a closet.
if you're using a drobo i'd suggest treating it as a normal drive that can indeed fail.
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