Why I'm not excited about the new Apple TV
I'll admit it. I'll buy almost anything Apple makes. I was going to hold out on the iPad, but after reading more about it, I wound up in line the first day it was for sale. As they say, resistance is futile.That's not the case with the Apple TV. When Apple brings a product out, I expect a small revolution. Some exciting new concept, or new and unique feature. With the Apple TV, it's certainly lower in price, but instead of revolutionizing the idea of a set-top box, the new unit actually takes features away from the now discarded Apple TV 'classic'.
First, there is the loss of actually owning a movie or a TV show. When the VCR first appeared in the 70s, the idea of owning a movie was quite unique. Before VHS or Betamax you went to a theater, paid your couple of dollars, or watched the oldies on TV loaded with commercials.
Second, the Apple TV requires an HDMI connection -- its HDMI port means you need an HDMI hookup or nothing. I understand the reasons for going with that standard, but I'm still holding on to an older AV receiver, and my 'classic' Apple TV works just fine with that.
Not everyone wants to own a movie, but I often do. There are classics I like to look at again and again, share with friends, or just study. DVDs aren't terribly expensive, and actually are a fraction of the cost of a VHS movies when they first came out.
Apple hasn't lowered the price of movies with this product. Some TV shows are cheaper, but those aren't the kind of thing I want to watch over and over. Sure, I can still buy a DVD, but the catalogs are getting thinner. The DVD is starting to look like an endangered species. The studios loved the idea of stores like Blockbuster Video, but they are already all but dead because people can rent the same content through their cable satellite company, Netflix or even, of course, the Apple TV.
Hollywood hates the idea of my "owning" a movie. They want to rent it to me, again and again. Apple is playing along with this, and I can understand it. I think it may work for a lot of people, but this is a bus I'm not likely to get on. There are a lot of products that already stream Netflix. I have a Sony Blu-ray player that is under US $250.00 and can do Netflix, YouTube, Amazon and a host of other services. And it doesn't require HDMI for HD output. While Steve Jobs hates Blu-ray (and all other optical discs, it seems), I can tell you that quality-wise a Netflix or Apple streamed movie just can't compare to a high bit-rate 1080p disc seen on a larger screen. It's a fact. Don't get me wrong -- I love Netflix, and have rented quite a few recent movies on my Apple TV. But by going to strictly rentals, I'm losing choices, and that's never good.
I'm not sure if this new Apple TV is going to set the world on fire, or be another yawn. It's a good price, and a good idea, but it's just Hollywood putting a boot on my throat with Apple aiding and abetting them. The Apple TV is not a revolution as much as it is a ceding of ground to the big studios and the entertainment conglomerates. Apple is not 'thinking different' here, at least for this consumer. In the new Apple TV, I see product with very little that has shipped a little late.
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I'll admit it. I'll buy almost anything Apple makes. I was going to hold out on the iPad, but after reading more about it, I wound up in...
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I LOVE my Apple TV for the record, and use it daily-- I stream from my time capsule to my laptop to my Apple TV with only the rare hiccup. HOWEVER, I can't wait for my Apple TV to stop trying to sync at the most inopportune times. In fact, I would turn that capacity off right now if I could, and just stream everything. I NEVER buy anything on my Apple TV because it's too much of a pain in the a-- to navigate the store, anyway. It literally takes two seconds to buy media from your laptop/computer/ipad, so are we really missing anything??? I say absolutely not, and have already pre-ordered mine, with my old one retiring to my bedroom =).
September 09 2010 at 4:14 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think your second dislike is really driving the whole article.
September 07 2010 at 6:24 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHey if I'm not mistaken YOU CAN PURCHASE movie still. Just buy them on your desktop in iTunes. Then stream them to your new ATV. I am going to hang on to my previous generation ATV for as long as it holds out.
Is there going to be a rush to get the last PG ATVs in the clearance bin on Apple store site?
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but you still have the ability to purchase content via iTunes on your computer and stream it to the new Apple TV. It's just that the option is buried in the "Computers" subheading and de-emphasized in the interface.
September 07 2010 at 2:53 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWhy is everyone making a big deal about not being able to make purchases? You can buy a movie from itunes or your ios device, and just stream it to your apple tv. Problem solved.
September 06 2010 at 2:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think you're missing the point entirely. They're changing the way the device functions because the previous iteration didn't catch on. People don't want another device that they have to worry about managing the content on, they want it to be the liaison between their desktop/notebook PC and their television. The function of an impromptu rental is fantastic, because you don't have to wait for it to download or you can watch something that you don't necessarily want to own.
While I understand the necessities of backing up your data, and how it is so important, I liken people who concern themselves over redownloading digital media or owning DVDs to a new generation of those people you see on "Hoarders." We don't need to stockpile every song, movie, photo that we have EVER taken. Eventually, iTunes will shift to a point where once you've purchased something, you can download it or stream it any number of times. The bandwidth and willpower just isn't quite there yet, which it why it doesn't exist.
The rental/streaming platform is the obvious future, and I'm glad that Apple TV is pushing for this. If some bigger studios can get on board with this model, it will drastically change my TV experience. I purchase cable for a few shows, and live sports. If Apple TV can run MLB.Tv, and the NFL and NCAA can figure out a way to stream their games, I would no longer have to be tied to any cable company.
PS - To the videophiles who cite the lack of 1080p as a legit reason for not purchasing the device: consider who the target audience and the nominal workflow is, also consider the extra bandwidth required to transfer 1080p vs 720p. The demand and infrastructure for this just isn't there yet. It's like not buying a car that can't drive 200mph, when the speed limit on all the roads around you is only 75. These things will come in time.
Do you have kids, Jim, because they watch the same d**n cartoon movies a zillion times. I think I have every Pixar movie memorized at this point and we're working on the Dreamworks films now.
There's definitely a place for purchases.
Also, portability of content is important to me. I want to watch my digital movies on my iPhone, even in situations where I have no internet connection.
Besides, streaming movies over 3G on portable devices would eat up a ton of bandwidth (which is somewhat limited by AT&T's new data plans) and the quality would stink almost as bad as YouTube over 3G.
I have a somewhat related question that I have been curious about. If I can go onto YouTube, Netflix etc, on these media players through my TV, why then can I not go online and "surf the web" on my TV? Always wondered about that.
I seem to remember that AOL had something many years ago and that the keyboard response was SO SLOW that it was a pain.
Just curious.
It's not about providing the highest quality TV and movie experience. It's about revenue to Apple. That's why Steve won't allow Blu-ray drives in Apple computers. If you buy Blu-ray media he gets nothing. He wants a slice of all the money spent buying/renting TV shows and movies, and he only gets that if he provides the channel to sell you them. So that means streaming, and a generally variable, often poor, user experience. And I don't care if someone replies describing how wonderful their internet connection is, that doesn't fix everyone else's. Many excellent ISPs have monthly limits as part of the package and streaming kicks that in the teeth.
Don't get me wrong. I like most of what Apple does, and I've spent a lot on Apple goodies in the last few years. But this product is a waste of time in my view. Even at $99.
Blu-rays aren't added to Macs because it's a dying technology. In the not-so-distant future, most people will have the ability to stream 1080p. Digital media will kill physical media. When's the last time you bought a CD?
September 07 2010 at 9:53 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThat, frankly, is nonsense. Blu-ray drive and media sales are still growing. Blu-ray is still the epitome of viewing quality. And Apple refuse to embrace it, even though it would add little if anything in real terms to the production cost. Yet it would give those users who want to use Blu-ray the option to do so.
It will be a very long time before any significant number of users could reliably stream 1080p.
I regularly buy CDs as they are usually cheaper than downloading, you get a lot more of an "experience" with the artwork, booklet insert etc. and you have an always available backup. Plus, if you want to, you can sell it second hand or donate it to charity. Until DRM allows easy license transferring I'm not interested. Same issue with ebooks. Far too expensive and no way to pass on legitimately. The per-unit production cost is low to free yet they cost more than physical printed books, delivered to your door.
So.. it's an interface between your Mac and your TV... an expensive cable, no more. Especially if you don't have Netflix - i.e most of the world outside the US. That'll be why it's £99 here in the UK, and even if you extract the VAT, it's still heavily premium priced here. And China is about the same distance to us as it is to the US, so it's not about shipping costs.
Still, at least we get iPhones that work as we have operators that know how to run a 3G network.
Honestly, I have to agree with other posters on this one -- the absence of a DVD player isn't a deal breaker.
On the other hand, the fact that there really isn't any TV in AppleTV continues to be a problem I think. I've still got Tivo and like to record shows over the air, if AppleTV could do this in conjunction with managing my other digital content it would be useful.
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