HP responds to Jobs about touchscreen PCs
Steve Jobs has never been averse to exaggeration or verbal misdirection when discussing features publicly. However, Hewlett-Packard's Ken Bosley has taken issue with Jobs' recent comments on touchscreen PCs.During the recent Back to the Mac press event, Steve had this to say: "...Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical. It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. It doesn't work; it's ergonomically terrible."
Bosley responded in an interview with DVICE. He admits that a touch interface probably wouldn't be optimal if it were the only input mechanism for a vertical screen. However, he emphasizes that each of the TouchSmart machines offers users multiple inputs, including keyboard, mouse, and touch. Users are free to use whichever they like.
Bosley also notes that the orientation of the screens on its machines can be adjusted for use with touch. For example, its touch-enabled laptops are convertibles with screens that flip around and lay flat, essentially turning it into a tablet. Similarly, the desktop screens can be made more horizontal. Despite this, HP's TouchSmarts are generally not considered to be huge sellers, especially the laptops.
Bosley's arguments do lend credence to the idea of a touch-enabled iMac with an adjustable screen (like the one seen in a recent Apple patent). Such an arrangement would provide the horizontal surface that lends itself to touch. Would you want such a convertible desktop machine? Have your say in the comments.
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The first day of the New Year 2011 and I have finally found what will be my dream! My perfect computer would stand both vertical and lay horizontally. It would be lightweight and able to be hung as well as bracketed or section cupped down. As an Artist who has desired such ease of physical application (hand touched -meaning multiple fingers moving at the same time, or perhaps a second option of single pointed finger. You see, in 1997 I described such, and well, now my dream can be true! If you are able to create the above mentioned physical attrtributes of a touch screen laptop aka table top, that takes physical touch and turns it into a digital format using Real life speed Of hand motion- I'd be already into my fifth phase of online educational videos (it must be easy touch edited with iFrame technology. Mac and pc interface options??) Come on!! (I write code in PC and edit video in Mac). I am first and foremost and Artist! I'd love to work with a demo!!! Happy New Year!
January 01 2011 at 11:21 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyYou can lay a touchscreen flat, sure, but then you're staring down, cranking your neck at a 90 degree angle, which is just as uncomfortable as "gorilla arm." When I watch people at cafés staring at their iPads on the table I have to wonder how much their chiropractic bill must be.
I agree with Jobs more than with Bosley on the ergonomics point, but that's not to say there isn't room for some combination of the two interfaces, or some innovation that's completely different. I think the trackpad for desktops is a brilliant first step, long overdue. I also think the cursor is an ancient gui that must go at some point, but what would replace it? No one's figured that out yet, but whoever does will be very rich.
How is that any worse ergonomically than using a pad of paper with a pen?
November 11 2010 at 2:23 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyABSOLUTELY. Bring it. Only Apple can pull off a multi-touch iMac, and so they shall. They'll make millions off of people who want their computer to be like the one in Minority Report. Including myself. Ridiculous, I know, but I don't care. I WANTS IT.
November 03 2010 at 11:53 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyIF the touchscreen was sensitive and accurate enough, I can see that it might work. I would like to use a pen/stylus with it for more detailed work, just as with Ituos Cintiq. I imagine they have sold a few of those, or they wouldn't still be making them. If it were easy to manipulate from standing to angled/flat, as in Apple patent, I can see this being potentially very effective for image editing, motion graphics, and possibly video editing. I am fairly sure I would want this over the conventional iMac.
November 03 2010 at 3:44 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply"...essentially turning it into a tablet."
Yes, a large, heavy, unruly tablet. Perfect.
The main problem I see with a pivot-to-flat touchscreen iMac is that its footprint is *huge*. It becomes less useful if you have to move a bunch of stuff on your desk before you can pivot it down to the horizontal position.
I mostly agree with Steve's position regarding touchscreens on a desktop machine. But having had an iPad for 6 months, I've found myself trying to use touch gestures on my desktop monitor a few times. You just get used to having it. So honestly, a desktop touchscreen with that could change positions from vertical to horizontal would be attractive to some of us. As several people here have said, you can use whatever input method you want depending on what you're doing.
November 03 2010 at 2:21 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI agree with Jobs on this one but also I have a hard enough time dealing with fingerprints on my iPhone & iPad and am constantly cleaning my MBP screen for dust and when some Dbag puts a finger on my screen....In turn I don't really want to be dealing with it on my iMac..yes, it might be convenient for short periods of time, but in the long run, it's a waste of time/tech...my Magic Trackpad does everything I need as far as touch UI goes...for now....
November 03 2010 at 2:20 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI agree with Steve, I've worked on HP touchscreens and even forgot they are touchscreens because it feels weird to use them.
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