Apple exec posts, retracts enterprise information
We're not sure if this is good news or bad news for you Xserve enthusiasts, but given the furor over Apple discontinuing the server line, any news is probably worth hearing. Apple server product marketing manager Eric Zelenka reportedly posted a message on the Xsanity message boards saying that the Xserve announcement wouldn't "impact the future of Xsan or server software on Mac OS X." Seems like good news, right? Apple may not be selling the hardware, but they'll still be working on the software.Or are they? Just nine hours after that message was posted, it was deleted completely. Obviously, there are a few reasons for this, and while one of them is of course that he was wrong (and Apple will be discontinuing its server software lines as well), that's not necessarily what's happening. It's just as valid an explanation that Zelenka simply got slapped on the wrist for speaking about official Apple business in unofficial channels, something that the Cupertino company definitely wouldn't like. There's also the possibility that it wasn't Zelenka at all, and finally, it's possible that Zelenka did make the statement, but later decided, for whatever reason, to just remove it. Maybe we'll see the same statement made in a more formal way elsewhere.
At any rate, server admins hungry for news about the future of Mac OS X server have to take what they can get. Apple has shown in the past that it has no compunctions at all with abandoning product lines that aren't moving, and if the Xserve was a victim of that, we'll have to wait and see if other server products make the same cut.
[via MacNN]
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We're not sure if this is good news or bad news for you Xserve enthusiasts, but given the furor over Apple discontinuing the server line,...
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I hope this means Apple will change their license policy and offer their server and XSAN solutions through VMware. We would gladly pay 1000,- more for a OSX server license if thats what it takes to run on a blade system with VMware. This would directly put OSX server on track in the enterprise business. VMware tooling makes snapshots possible, upscaling processors etc. etc. All the stuff you want to have in a enterprise environment.
November 09 2010 at 7:05 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWell, Apple published a server transition guide and Mac mini performed 25-35% as well as an Xserve but I think it's interesting to look at the system configs for those stats.
http://images.apple.com/xserve/pdf/L422277A_Xserve_Guide.pdf
8-core Xserve with 24GB RAM (~$5000) vs. A 2-core mini with 8GB of RAM ($1400). And that's the $400 memory upgrade through Apple, getting your own memory is cheaper.
So again, if huge enterprises were using Xserves maybe they'll be disheartened but many people can get good performance from a Mac mini.
First off, I'm sure Apple was having a hard time selling XServe machines.
Second, there is a large market for small businesses that need an easy server and can't afford admins. Mac OS X Server and a Mac Pro or Mac Mini will be great for them.
Third, people have been moving to virtualization because the hardware was running idle so they wanted to put a heavier load on each machine. Mac Mini is small and can probably handle a lot of server needs. It's half the performance of an XServe, but 1/3 the price, really small, and when in need....XGrid.
Universities and others use clusters of Mac servers to create low cost super computers.
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/xgrid.html
I haven't played with XGrid myself but having more processors and resources in a distributed system should be more performant than just having one beefy server. Strength in numbers. Of course I don't know how much work has to be done to take advantage of XGrid.
The mini is probably 1/4 to 1/8 the performance of an Xserve. Most Xserve clusters do not run XGrid. That pretty much only used by Podcast Producer. SUN GridEngine is much more common. Some clusters are becoming better suited for the Mac Pro as things take advantage of OpenCL. Clusters are certainly not the largest market for an Xserve though. It may look like a lot of servers, but there really are not that many clusters out there.
November 09 2010 at 2:26 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWhen the Mini was ignored for months on end the rumors raged about it's demise. Instead the Mini was redesigned and now the Mini server package is one of Apples top selling items.
The Xserve reached it's end because it wasn't a profitable item. Given Apples emphasis on consumer products, and their tremendous success with them, it only makes sense that they're regrouping and reconsidering the server/enterprise market. Apple has never really chased that market, why should they be aggressive about it now. That also doesn't mean they're abandoning it.
The Mac Pro and the MBP have waited while resources were redirected to the consumer products. Clearly they're putting their money where they make money. Again, that doesn't mean they're abandoning the pro market.
Now that the Mac mini is Apple's most popular server, I think Apple will make more of an effort to make it even better server hardware.
I would like to see the Mac mini server get an additional SSD drive.
Or a Mac mini server node, no HDs, just a small SSD.
Every enterprise Apple user must be FUMING mad right now, and this is why so few companies trust Apple as a vendor for medium/large scale IT. They change with the winds doing whatever best suits THEM, not their customers.
As Apple continues to abandon its pro products, the next shoe to drop will be Final Cut Suite, which might as well already be dead given how far and few between the refreshes have become.
Who are those Apple mid-to-large scale enterprise customers? I bet Apple has none.
November 08 2010 at 9:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAt a minimum Apple ought to make clear its plans to reassure business customers. If they're not going to continue to develop OS X Server, they ought to announce that now.
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