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Dear Aunt TUAW: Do I need to upgrade to Aperture?

Dear Aunt TUAW,

I have a ~100 GB iPhoto '11 library. I currently have it on an external FireWire drive because I didn't originally have space on my internal drive. All that has changed, and I am now looking for tips on how best to manage this library and be able to back it up regularly.

iPhoto '11 seems to be working fine right now (takes a little bit of time to start the app, but nothing really excessive). However, I really want to start backing it up on a regular schedule -- would splitting it up make sense (only the latest library would need to be backed up, which would take much less time). It sucks that you can only access one library at a time in iPhoto. Would moving to Aperture seem a natural at this point?

Any and all help including backup/sync progs would be helpful.

Thanks in advance,

Your nephew, Matt "iPhoto challenged" C.

Dear Matt,

First of all, let me remind you about Time Machine. The TUAW crisis response team all agreed that your backup issues could well be met by that simple OS X utility. (TUAW commenter John B responds, "Time Machine and iPhoto libraries are not close personal friends," stating that Time Machine won't do small differentials, instead "it'll want to backup that entire ~100 GB iPhoto '11 library all over again vs. just the bits that changed". A quick TUAW google of the matter seems to suggest otherwise, but we're happy to hear more from commenters.)

As for the upgrade issue, Auntie turned over your question to the team to see what they had to say on the topic.

Uncle Mike, author of an upcoming Apress iPhoto book, told Auntie that he has never understood why people say iPhoto can't handle over 10k photos. He writes, "My iPhoto has 19,800 photos in my library, and it runs just fine. Well, it ran slow as a dog when I only had 2 GB of RAM in my MBP, but now with 6 GB of RAM the program runs as fluidly as Mail does." Mike also added that iPhoto really does need to make having multiple libraries easier for the user.

Other members of the team preferred to move to Aperture. "When you have more than 10k photos," one wrote, "iPhoto can't really handle it well. Aperture can do multiple libraries making life even easier."

Certainly, the new lower cost of Aperture at the Mac App Store make it an inviting alternative. As another team member points out, maybe with our new digital lifestyle and iOS cameras, Apple is finally getting how many photos people really take. Maybe the Aperture repricing is to respond to that new demand for bigger, more extensive libraries.

If iPhoto would simply do multiple libraries more gracefully than it does now, it would probably be fine for you. But it is currently as graceful as an elephant peeling a hard-boiled egg.

Love & hugs,

Auntie T.



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Tomek C

Time Machine is definitely not backing up entire library after each change.

However, iPhoto maintains large monolytic files with picture thumbnails. In case of my library (it is well over 20k photos), i have file named Thumb64Segment.data which is 649M and ThumbJPGSegment.data which eats 324M. Considering that they get updated after each import, amount of data to back up incrementally is still substantial.

I just splitted my library and iPhoto became much snappier. What's interesting, before split it happened to hang even when clicking to editi a single photo - a bit counterintuitive behaviour, since it is just one file to open.

March 10 2011 at 6:08 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Chris

Google's Picasa, anyone? I love it and my customers do too.

March 10 2011 at 3:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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jaylee

1. iPhoto handles multiple libraries in the same way that Aperture does; but iPhoto doesn't allow you to change libraries without restarting iPhoto; however, the whole switch library command in Aperture seems to take just as long.
2. Time Machine handles backups of both Aperture and iPhoto incrementally and quickly. The TM & library issue hasn't existed since Aperture v1.1
3. Reasons to switch from iPhoto to Aperture - Aperture's tools are more precise and there are more shortcuts to take advantage of. There are tons of other differences, but I think those will be what the average consumer cares about.

March 10 2011 at 2:11 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Raffster

I find that most of these problems go away if you choose to not let iPhoto manage your files for you (I choose this method for iTunes as well - it keeps my digital purchases separate from my ripped music, which is better for knowing what needs to be backed up)). Just make a "My Pictures" Folder in the Pictures file, then use Image Capture to upload pics from your SD Card to a new folder within, named after the event. Then when you go to iPhoto and you import that folder, it names the event after the folder name and leaves the pics where you had them! This way, you can back up only certain folders in this scheme, etc. This is a great way to manage your originals as well, because all of your edits go into the iPhoto library package, leaving your originals alone in your custom Finder structure. This also allows you to have both an Aperture and iPhoto library that reference the same files on your drive, without needlessly duplicating them.

My workflow involves both Aperture (for sorting and making adjustments) and iPhoto (for viewing and sharing), but another Aperture pro is that the Aperture library file only stores the "edited data" for your pics, whereas iPhoto actually makes a separate copy of the entire photo when you edit it (this becomes a headache with some cameras, because iPhoto will interpret a tag to rotate the file as an edit and store a duplicate of a file you haven't even changed!).

March 10 2011 at 2:10 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Roger

I use Aperture regularly and have also Used Lightroom. Neither will change your backup situation in my opinion. However I would think that if your library is on an external drive that is perhaps USB not FW 800 it may simply be an issue with the speed of the USB and the drive itself. I have recently had some extremely major Time Machine issues that were resolved by changing my Segate Goflex drive from the USB base to FW800 and Bam all fixed and noticeably faster. This may all be un-related but the upgrade to Aperture will be useful for other reasons.

First I disagree with John from Buffalo in that while I have used Lightroom to obtain quick use of their presets for a bleach bypass or split toning look in terms of Raw conversion for me Aperture has a much more natural look than Adobe ACR in my opinion (some may differ of course) At close inspection of crops ACR/Lightroom can have a grainier background such as skies or out of focus areas.
The difference will be most obvious to those experienced with the process however if you are new to pro level editing it will be mostly indistinguishable. Dont let pixel peeping make your secision think of your real needs and they both can do the job IMO

So to me the best reason to upgrade is flexibility in editing and room to learn the craft. The second reason is price in the App store AP3 is $79.00 or something like that so its very affordable. I find using brushes absolutely great but be prepared as AP3 in most cases will need Ram and a fast Mac to run in a pleasing way. I have a quad i7 iMac and it works as well as some older 8 core Mac pro's very smooth

Overall Both Lightroom and Aperture are great apps. I give AP3 the prize mainly as i prefer the interface and workflow. I also appreciate the Apple like organization and filesystem however I am flexible to work in the Adobe way should I choose to manage my own filesystem (LR3 can do this as well)

Adobe may be quicker to market for new camera's but what Camera do you have? If it is supported then you are fine. Besides you can still import unsupported files into aperture with DNG or JPEG TIFF etc there are workarounds although i have never needed to use them


Cheers
Roger

March 10 2011 at 1:55 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Unknown

I use both LR3 and AP3. I prefer to do all my workflow in LR3 as I find myself much more productive with that UI. Also, the develop tools including camera calibration and lens profile support in LR3 is hard to beat. I have never had any issues with RAW conversion in LR3 so not sure what you're doing to see the results you are getting. And considering that LR3 is the preferred choice of the vast majority of professional photographers, I highly doubt it is the software.

Anyways, I prefer to not have images stored within iPhoto or Aperture (within packages), but rather as referenced files, which is how LR3 works. It allows me more flexibility and easier to backup using popular utilities such as SuperDuper! or Carbon Copy Cloner.

I do use Time Machine as well, but you will find it is a good habit to have multiple forms of backups of your images.


March 10 2011 at 5:04 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
russell

Consider what you really need.

I ditched iPhoto years ago in favor of... the Finder. In combination with Image Capture and EXIF Renamer, the Finder was faster, I had control over all my actual photo files, I could sort them in every way. I could have my photo files spread over several disks and they don't need to be available all the time. If I had a damaged file or missing EXIF data for whatever reason (tons), it doesn't crash the Finder, but it could hang iPhoto and even corrupt the library (been there). My library never needed to be upgraded.

If you desire control over your files, I advocate something like this plus using iPhoto to store copies of your best photos, to make a book for instance. Because think about it, in ten or twenty years you'll have 500 terabytes of photos and you will not care about the vast majority. You will not keep up your keyword and tagging system. It's a pointless waste of time. Find the good ones, put only those in a management application like iPhoto, but keep the rest around "just in case". In the file system.

March 10 2011 at 1:46 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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nadyne

What's the point of keeping the bad ones around? If you're not actually going to look at them or use them, it seems like the best thing to do is just to ditch them so that they're not eating up hard drive space or keeping you from getting to the ones that you actually do like.

March 10 2011 at 3:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Charli

That's part of the beauty of Aperture, you can choose to keep the photos in the Finder but still have the albums etc of iphoto

March 13 2011 at 9:29 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
mbabco

I've used iPhoto Library Manager for years to handle multiple libraries. It's a great program. It also allows you to easily merge or split libraries and import albums from one library to the next. You can get basic features for free but the advanced features are well worth the $19.95.

http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/

March 10 2011 at 1:45 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dr. Zoidberg

I would be more interested in what's best to sync a photo collection with multiple computers (i.e. between my iMac and my Macbook). Normally I import photos into my iMac, but sometimes, especially if I'm on vacation or even just out shooting, I'll import into my Macbook.

Is there a feature in Apreture (or iPhoto) to sync between computers?

March 10 2011 at 1:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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bilweeler

Ugh. Moving photos from the Macbook to the Mac has always been a problem for me. My solution? Burn the photos to a CD or DVD, and use "sneakernet" to move them to the Mac.

But then, I'm not a real advanced Mac user...

March 10 2011 at 1:43 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
John Doe

In addition to Josh's comment:

If you prefer a more sophisticated solution for iPhoto multi library management, then give "iPhoto Library Manager" a try:

http://www.fatcatsoftware.com/iplm/

It even allows transfer of photos/events between the libraries and has become an essential tool for me.

March 10 2011 at 1:12 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
josh

If you like iPhoto, there is no need to switch to Aperture.

I'd actually recommend using the free (donations accepted) utility called iPhoto Buddy.

http://www.iphotobuddy.com/

It allows you to easily manage multiple iPhoto libraries. I have mine split up by year... it makes them much easier to load and maintain. I just copy them to an external once a month. I also let Time Machine back them up to my TM Drive. Having them in three places should take care of you. Offsite backup is a fourth option -- a very good option. In case your house gets destroyed, you'd have a somewhat complete record of your data offsite.

Backup, backup, backup. :)

March 10 2011 at 12:56 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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