Point/Counterpoint: On the iPhone 5 replacing the iPod touch

A reader wrote in to us surmising that the iPod touch is on its way out, to be replaced by a lower-cost iPhone 5. It sounded ridiculous at first, but the evidence he gave sounds pretty compelling when it's all put together.
- According to iSuppli, "The components that make up the 16 GB iPhone 4 cost just under $188." That of course should be taken with a grain of salt.
- Production of the iPhone 5 allegedly begins in July, with a launch in September -- traditionally the time Apple unveils new iPod hardware.
- iOS 5 will debut in the fall, and major iOS releases tend to come alongside new iPhone hardware.
- Thus far, there is no mention of new iPod touch hardware in the iOS 5 betas.
- The next-gen iPhone has reached final testing stage, destined for a September launch. With the exception of an A5 processor and possibly a universal GSM/CDMA design for its 3G hardware, it is expected to be substantially similar to the iPhone 4.
- Unlocked iPhones are finally available in the US.
- Recently unearthed evidence in the iOS 5 beta suggests the iPhone 5 will use the same 5 megapixel camera as the current iPhone 4 rather than the 8 megapixel camera suggested by rumors earlier this year, suggesting Apple is focused on cutting production costs.
- This year, Apple's Back-to-School promotion will offer a $100 iTunes gift card instead of a free iPod touch as in previous years.
Taken together, this does seem to paint a pretty stark picture for the iPod touch's future. It also sparked off an intercontinental debate between fellow TUAW writer Richard Gaywood and myself on whether Apple is likely to lower costs on the iPhone 5 enough to make it a viable replacement for the current iPod touch lineup.
CR: I'll say this: if the unlocked 32 GB iPhone dropped to US$299 and a 64 GB model was available at $399, the iPod touch would pretty much have no further reason to exist. Odds of that happening? Who knows.
RG: That's a huge "if" there. The iPod touch has to be cheaper to make than the iPhone, so Apple would have to slash its own margins to cut the price of the latter to meet the former. $299 is less than half the price the 16 GB iPhone 4 is selling for today. Why would Apple do that? I don't see much upside.
The iPod touch is also lighter and much thinner. Or, if it was as thick as the iPhone 4, it could offer much better battery life.
CR: Aside from the rear-facing camera, the GPS/3G antenna/chipset, and the case design, where's the extra cost for the iPhone 4 versus the iPod touch? They have the same SOC, the same display, the same front-facing camera. Apple's estimated cost to manufacture the 16 GB iPhone 4 is less than US$200. If the iPhone 5 is going to be essentially an iPhone 4S, the production cost isn't likely to be terribly higher than the iPhone 4's is now.
The upside to discontinuing the iPod touch line and replacing it with a lower-cost, contract-free iPhone is twofold. First, that's one less piece of hardware Apple has to manufacture. The iPod line would be returned to music-only devices (the shuffle and nano), with only two multi-use, touch-based devices to manufacture: the iPhone and iPad. The upshot from a sales POV is that all the users who might have bought the iPod touch will buy the contract-free iPhone instead, which would go a loooong way to making up for the reduced per-device margins.
RG: According to Anandtech, "The pricing guarantees Apple is going to continue to have incredible quarters going forward. Apple found sneaky ways to reduce the total BOM (bill of materials) cost on the new iPod touch. A cheaper chassis compared to the iPhone 4, no GPS, less DRAM on package (256 MB vs. 512 MB), a cheaper screen and a worse imaging sensor."
That's in addition to the UMTS chip itself, the antenna for it, and (easy to overlook on a BoM listing), the considerable hardware engineering effort and testing that goes into making the cell phone part of the device work properly. They also use cheaper lower-density flash (the iPod touch has two chips, not one, so a 32 GB model of either handset is a single 32 GB chip in the iPhone and 2x16 GBs in the iPod touch).
Note that the parts Apple skimps on -- the baseband, the display, the DRAM, the flash, the rear-facing autofocus camera -- are some of the most expensive parts in the iPhone 4 to start with.
CR: The engineering and testing costs will likely be more than offset if the iPhone 5 has essentially the same exterior design as the iPhone 4, as virtually everyone expects it will.
The price of the unlocked iPhone must eventually come down. The unlocked 32 GB iPhone 4 is actually more expensive than a 32 GB iPad 2 Wi-Fi + 3G. I don't see that situation persisting for very long. I also don't see that as a matter of offsetting component/production costs; I see it as a high price intended to mollify the carriers. The price disparity between a 32 GB iPod touch and a 32 GB unlocked iPhone 4 is $450, too, and I find it incredibly unlikely that the iPhone 4 costs THAT much more to produce than the iPod touch.
I mean, come on. The improved camera and flash, better quality display, extra RAM, GPS/UMTS, and chassis add up to an extra $450 -- or even $300? Not a chance. Even if the $130 price disparity between the 3G and non-3G iPads truly represents the cost of the 3G hardware (it doesn't), that's still $320 for a slightly higher-quality display, an extra 256 MB of RAM, a 5 megapixel camera, three pieces of precision-cut stainless steel, and a piece of glass.
With a BOM of $188 for a 16 GB iPhone 4, Apple's margin for the device amounts to $461. That's high even by Apple's standards. No, that calculation doesn't include R&D or shipping, etc., but if the iPhone 5 is going to be substantially similar to the iPhone 4, most of that is going to be offset anyway.
RG: BoM isn't the whole story, though. A common rule of thumb for a R&D-heavy devices like the iPhone is 1/3 materials, 1/3 cost, 1/3 profit. If you just compare how much it costs to assemble with how much Apple sell it for, it looks like a huge margin -- but all those smart guys in Cupertino don't come cheap, nor do their swanky digs. You're not making an Apples-to-apples comparison, because we don't have a comparable BoM cost for the iPod touch.
CR: You're right, BoM is only part of the tale. So let's look at profit margins instead. It turns out Apple's profit margin on the entry-level $499 iPad 2 is 25 percent. That's a healthy, respectable profit margin for a consumer electronics product -- but it's far lower than Apple's average profit margin across all products, which is a much higher 38.5 percent.
Apple's profit margin for the iPhone? An astonishing 50 to 60 percent. For every 16 GB iPhone 4 sold, then, Apple makes about $324.50 in profit at the lower end of the scale. We can therefore assume that the break-even price for an entry-level iPhone 5 would be around $330; the A5 processor is slightly more expensive than the A4, but the iPhone 5 is expected to have mostly the same components as the iPhone 4.
RG: Bottom line for me is this: replacing the iPod touch with an iPhone at the same selling price would inevitably require Apple to sacrifice considerable profit margin, would face carrier hostility (which might be so severe as to make them refuse to issue data plans for it), would be of marginal benefit to many consumers (customers who cared about having cell data for an iPod touch already own iPhones, I'd wager), and would cannibalize sales of the more lucrative iPhone (particularly the pre-pay models, which America might get now it has unlocked iPhones). Never say never and all that, but it doesn't feel very likely to me at this point in time.
CR: After running through the numbers a bit more closely, selling the iPhone 5 for $299 looks like a net loss for Apple (which ain't gonna happen), but selling it at $399 would yield a profit of about 17 percent. That's far lower than the margins Apple currently enjoys on the iPhone, but Apple's financial guidance for the past couple quarters has warned investors to expect overall profit margins to decline. There's certainly room enough for the iPhone's margins to thin a bit but still make Apple tons of money.
I'm not saying Apple will do any of this, but I will not be at all shocked if it chooses to. The iPod touch has always been a sort of an "also-ran" in the iDevice line, an iPhone-lite for people who don't want to be tied down to a contract. If the iPhone becomes available contract-free everywhere, and at a price comparable to what the iPod touch sells for today, I still believe the iPod touch would have no reason to exist anymore.
Conclusion
It turned out to be a lively debate, and we'll see who's right in a couple months. In the meantime, there are a couple of other things to keep in mind. First, Apple has removed the "iPod" branding from iOS 5. In iOS 4 and earlier, both the iPhone and iPad handle music playback via an "iPod" app, but in iOS 5 these two devices instead have a "Music" app just like the iPod touch. It may mean nothing, but it's still an interesting move considering the iPod was Apple's top-selling product for so many years.
The other thing to keep in mind is a recent quote from Instapaper developer Marco Arment, who sums up my side of this argument perfectly: "When speculating on what Apple will or won't do, a change that gets them more iPhone customers is probably worth considering even if you think they'd 'never' do it. iPhone customer acquisition is a higher priority than almost everything else."
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When I think of a family of IOS products one line up could be ---a $200 entry level product the, itouch; a $300 iphone to hit the price point for prepaid phones. Followed by a $400 ($500 w 3g) 7 " ipad to keep the pressure on the Amazon Fire. Of course the Iphone5 at $500 and the premier IOS product at $500 and $600. Does this make sense to anyone else? Everyone wins with this line up, including the customer.
October 03 2011 at 10:47 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI am a retired Senior VP of a communications company. From this view point it would not make sense to drop the Ipod Touch. Why? Because many people prefer to have a Ipod Touch and a Iphone. To combine them would cost them units of sale. Furthermore, it would create a niche' vacume in the market that companies like HTC and Nokia would quickly fill. The most reasonable senerio would be to enhance Ipod touch by adding 3G. Cell phone companies have high profit margins with 3G and they would be happy to share the profits with Apple as they do with the IPad. Apple would be foolish not to persue this income stream, One thing Apple isn't---and that is "foolish"
In my opinion, Ipod Touch 5 will either be an upgrade such as the OS, Ram, screen resolution and / or 3G . I doubt very seriously if it will be discontinued. You don't discontinue or combine devices that are extremely profitable on thier own. It would be like GM combining Cadilac and Buick into one automobile. The ideas is to improve both to beat the competition. Not giving the competition a vacume to fill.
Even if they had no need for the iPod touch, they would still sell it. The iPod touch is the best selling iPod currently, and the iPod touch is mainly for the people who either aren't allowed to have phones or need the 64GB space.
I would be devastated if they stopped making iPod touchs.
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July 31 2011 at 8:36 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyA wonderful column and fantastic thread! This is, without a doubt, the most thoughtful, polite, and interesting sequence of comments I've read on the net in ages. No flame throwing, no ad hominem attacks, and no nonsense; just reasonable, well expressed reflections on the topic! Kudos to the duo in the column and the posters!
I've gone back and forth on this since reading the column--and then the thread. At first, I thought it made great sense to cut costs, combine product lines, etc. But, at the end of the day (the thread), it makes more sense for Apple to keep the iPod Touch--just upgrade the camera to stimulate buying (especially by those of whose clinging to our old IPT 2Gs). It would be a very low cost manufacturing solution, but still let them sell gobs and gobs and make gobs and gobs. Coming in at $200 to $300 would generate sales; subsidized iPhone would be next in the tier, and highest would be the unlocked iPhone.
What I'm wondering is whether Apple is discussing the unlocked prospects with the carriers--or, whether the carriers are even realizing what an untapped market there is for a GoPhone, prepaid type iPhone. Could there even be a subsidized (partially) version for the prepaid plans--without the required data plans?
I'd say a solid reason for Apple to do this has to do with the appeal of an iPod touch. If you get an iPod touch you have the benefits of iOS apps, while still being able to use another OS on a smartphone - particularly given that roughly 47% of app usage is for games, and iOS has the largest selection of them, it's a pretty solid combination. The next 32% of apps are for social networking, features that are integrated or supported more than well enough on other smartphone platforms. If there's no iPod touch, and only an iPhone, people would be more reluctant to have a second smartphone. Obviously there's nothing stopping anyone right now from having an iPhone and an Android Phone, but since a phone is a necessity, if you have an iPod touch you'll still need to get a smartphone, whereas if you have an iPhone there's no justification for it. There's also the point that while Apple hopes the iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone, if you have an iOS device already it makes more sense to buy one for a different OS, than to get another iOS device that only gives you limited additional functionality.
TL;DR - If Apple only sells iPhones, and no iPod touches, customers are less likely to buy smartphones on other platforms. Getting people to not buy Android is probably just as important to Apple (if not more, given its growth) as getting them to buy iOS.
I disagree with the iPod touch not needing to exist - I love my iPod touch, love using it on Mi-Fi and am a happy Android user. I think I'd feel the Apple ecosystem taking over my mobile phone would be too claustrophobic.
Although I wish my iPod touch had a camera like the iPhone 4.
[Oh! and I'm always shocked at how clunky big the iPhone is compared to my iPod touch ;)]
June 28 2011 at 7:28 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThere's a lot of good thinking in this. One thing - who says iOS isn't in the Nano? It could well be, in a cut down form, just as iOS came from OS X. Think about it... with iCloud the logic is that the next iPods, whatever they are called, would at least have WiFi so that they can sync wirelessly in the home or elsewhere. Larger versions may even go 3G. iPod classic? How about a diskless version, with 3g for streaming, but then that would be an iPod Touch or iPhone in all likelihood, so it will probably die off. Now what gets me, is the idea of the Nano becoming a sexy little phone with wrist strap, so you wear your phone. The dispkay is goo enough and big enough to dial on (think of a blackberry keyboard with all those buttons, when you just need numbers mostly or a swipeable keyboard. The audio would be via bluetooth to a stereo or monaural headset. Music could be downloaded from iCloud, and if we were lucky there would still be a radio, with our arms as an antenna. Charging would use Apple's latest wireless charging patent, so while you drove your car, sat at your desk or left it by your computer overnight it would keep a healthy charge, so the battery life would only be for when you were away from such sources. Maybe I'm a year or so ahead, but if anyone does this stuff it will be Apple.
June 24 2011 at 12:48 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think Stephen makes a fabulous point! The iPod Touch hooks the pre-teen buyers who can't convince their parent to shell out the money for the iPhone. As we all invest more and more money into apps, we become more and more ingrained into the Apple biosphere. So consider Apple your local drug dealer selling the gateway drug of iPod touches to as young of a population as possible such that by the time they enter the iPhone market, they will want to consolidate their phone with their Touch. Then once they progress into the tablet market, what do you think they will buy when they have literally 200+ apps, many of which are universal and will immediately be transfered to the iPad with iCloud the first time they wirelessly sync. It is really a genius plan as long as Apply can continue to improve screen resolution and app integration (making apps more accessible across multiple platforms and via the internet) we will continue to drink the Kool-Aid from a very young age and into our first jobs and beyond.
June 21 2011 at 3:13 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI can tell you that Apple's plan to get young people hooked on iOS with the iPod touch WORKS. I'm living proof of that actually. I sold my 32GB iPod touch fourth-gen w/ extras for $300 and spent extra money to buy a refurbished iPad, just because of the way I used my iPad, a small, portable computer. I know many people my age who are now getting iPhones because they already have iPod touches, so they want to keep all of their apps. An unsubsidized iPhone is too expensive even at $399 or $299, because most young people go with the cheapest option, the $229 iPod touch. And furthurmore, the iPod touch is bought used by a very large amount of teens, showing that many of them aren't even wanting to pay $229 for an iPod touch, meaning they definitely wouldn't pay for a large amount above $229 for an iPod touch. I actually got mine as a gift, and my parents found ot kind of hard to swallow the $300 price of the 32GB one they bought me, even though they spent that much on their own smartphones. Parents see a lot of value in buying the low end option to keep their kids occupied though, woth all of the ypunger people in my house owning one other than the three year old. Keeping the iPod touch around makes sense just to sell these to young people, let alone getting them hooked on iOS as a gateway to the iPhone and iPad and the sales from that.
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