Final Cut Pro X complaints fly between editors and developers (Updated)

So, hey guys, Final Cut Pro X, eh? Conan's editors aren't the only ones arguing about this update. The NYT's David Pogue, who admits that he is not a professional video editor, also jumped in on the discussion and tried valiantly to convince the complainers that it's OK, all of the features you really need are in there, and the ones you want weren't needed anyway.
That, of course, is like throwing gasoline on a fire, and what he got was multiple corrections and updates, due to lots of multicolored, blockquoting rebuttals like this one from pro editor Richard Harrington. To make a long (and if, like me, you're also not a professional video editor, somewhat unexciting) story short, many pro editors dislike the new version of Final Cut Pro. Passionately.
Which complaints get the most airtime? One frequent issue seems to be that you can't open up projects created with the older version of FCP in the new one, and that because of this, a lot of editors are having issues with both applications installed on the same Mac. There's an official support article on just this issue, strongly recommending that users who want to maintain access to both FCP 7 and FCP X actually partition their hard drives, install a separate instance of Mac OS X, and reboot every time they want to switch from one to the other.
I said, reboot every time they want to switch from one to the other.
It's true -- Apple likes to burn its bridges in terms of upgrades, and in a professional environment, that kind of incompatibility is just not going to fly. Other issues revolve around a lack of support for various formats the pros use, though a lot of these are supposed to get filled in by third-party add-ons (some of which can be pricey, even for big-time editors) or by Apple's own updates, including those coming with Lion. The inability to interoperate with edit-standard files like OMF and EDLs is a problem, along with limited control over the locations of scratch files and a complete absence of multi-camera editing tools that were present in FCP 7. Pogue's conversation with Apple's FCP product managers hints that many of these will be addressed in future updates.
But there are definitely some legitimate concerns -- the previous version of Final Cut Pro was a well-traveled app, with plenty of updates and workflows that had lots of time to polish and settle in. This new version doesn't fit as well in those same cracks, and FCP 7 has been abruptly removed from Apple's product list, meaning that editors can't even buy new licenses of the product they use to earn a living. We'll have to see what Apple does to smooth things over with editors forced to re-learn one of their most important tools -- or depart the platform for the fairer shores of Avid or Premiere Pro.
Update: Pogue follows up with another article today admitting that he feels "Apple blew it." We'll see how Apple continues to refine Final Cut Pro for professionals and keep you posted.
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I received this from AVID:
Dear Customers,
The introduction of Apple’s Final Cut Pro X last week has generated an enormous amount of attention – across all fronts. It’s hard to open the paper or join an online conversation or even watch a television program without seeing some kind of reference to FCP X.
If we listen to the FCP owners we can conclude that the majority of FCP users are very disappointed with the direction Apple is heading with its editing software.
Throughout the world in Q2 we have already converted over 1000 FCP licenses to Media Composer. And if you think about the fact that FCP X has only been introduced a couple of weeks before the end of the quarter it means the timing is right now for FCP users to turn to Avid.
Today we will start a campaign to emphasize the superiority of Media Composer compared to FCP (X). Our aim is to convert a maximum of FCP users to Media Composer during the following months.
One of the first actions is that we are extending the cross-grade promo from Final Cut Pro to Media Composer - through September 2011. This means that every FCP owner can turn to Media Composer 5.5 for the price of 789 Euro + VAT.
Over the following weeks you can expect a lot of attention at Avid Technology for this.
Kind Regards,
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Am I the only one who is struggling to understand the market for this program. It's not for professionals (too much control gone and negative change to be useful), and its too complicated for regular people.
I don't believe that the market has THAT many prosumers that are willing to spend 200 dollars for this Piece of Crap.
The "tired" complaints against FCPX are really a small number. The ones you hear about are lack of multi-cam and lack of loading legacy projects. There are many other things about this program that are deficient. Some are mere bugs. Some are built-in at the all-new architecture level.
You cannot, for instance, see and manipulate keyframes. You can put them into an effect, but once there, you can only change one if the playhead is sitting on one.
It won't open Photoshop layered images any more and keep them as layers.
Opening a video scope of any kind consumes half the picture area.
The interface, seen above, is dark and often hard to read.
Many interface items are repetitiously non-ergonomic.
Control functions such as angle adjustments are down-graded from FCP7.
It takes FOREVER to open the program, even with just a few items in the current project.
It hogs memory and takes up vast amounts of disk space.
It eschews the billion plus hours of experience accumulated by the FCP community over the years and substitutes a number of operational and work-habit related features, keystrokes and procedures with no respect for the community that made FCP a success.
Randy Ubilos should be ashamed of himself.
I received this from AVID:
Dear Customers,
The introduction of Apple’s Final Cut Pro X last week has generated an enormous amount of attention – across all fronts. It’s hard to open the paper or join an online conversation or even watch a television program without seeing some kind of reference to FCP X.
If we listen to the FCP owners we can conclude that the majority of FCP users are very disappointed with the direction Apple is heading with its editing software.
Throughout the world in Q2 we have already converted over 1000 FCP licenses to Media Composer. And if you think about the fact that FCP X has only been introduced a couple of weeks before the end of the quarter it means the timing is right now for FCP users to turn to Avid.
Today we will start a campaign to emphasize the superiority of Media Composer compared to FCP (X). Our aim is to convert a maximum of FCP users to Media Composer during the following months.
One of the first actions is that we are extending the cross-grade promo from Final Cut Pro to Media Composer - through September 2011. This means that every FCP owner can turn to Media Composer 5.5 for the price of 789 Euro + VAT.
Over the following weeks you can expect a lot of attention at Avid Technology for this.
Kind Regards,
Typical Apple, fixing something that isn't broken. After they "upgraded" iMovie a few years ago, I gave up making videos. Just didn't feel like learning it all over again.
Of course, Microsoft also did it going from PPT03 to 07 and 10.
What's really disconcerting is you know you're really good at something, but after the "upgrade" you may as well be a novice.
You'd think a company as savvy as Apple would take this as a PR disaster ... and therefore, mobilize an all out effort to really discuss these issues with a variety of stakeholders for the sake of the long-term business.
Of course as stated in several places, it could be an effort to consolidate the product AND just say that "we think editing video is now a commodity thing" and our software effort here is saying that ... we've figured out that what helps Apple is to now help consumers do video versus the market share of pro's." They could be right.
But why not be smart enough to tackle the issue head on and create a day where you make that market-driven case and show the software for what it is and isn't in advance.
That would have be sensitive, smart and best of all, kind.
It's really hard to not say ... Apple, you acted dumb.
Harvey
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just rename the god damm application like ti final cut pro X and u can access both application at once,
June 27 2011 at 10:27 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI've created a serious user petition for Final Cut Pro X demanding the addition of 10 features necessary for it to be used in TV Stations, Feature Film Editing, Production and Post Production Houses. I've also demanded a free download of Final Cut Pro 7 for all users of Final Cut Pro X while these features are not in place.
Please help us take the message to Apple!
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/fcbetter/petition.html
Well, I haven't used the new program, or the old one... but why let that stop me from adding absolutely nothing to the discussion?
I can say that changes are always interesting... when I switched from a PC to a Mac... I was initially amused by the newness, but quickly frustrated by the UI changes... it wasn't necessarily harder to use... it was just _different_. Having come from a PC background in UI design... I was quite anal about the 'dumbness' of the iCal and Address Book interfaces... but, I adapted.
Something like FCP is a tool people use to make money... kind of like when MS came out with the whole .NET thing. We didn't jump on that right away... like lots of businesses, we maintained legacy code and waited until there was a compelling advantage to move to a new architecture. I would suggest that if you are an FCP user, and it is doing what you want it to do... and the FCX doesn't offer enough bonus to make the switch right away... just go with what is working and decide later if you need to change at all. When the time comes, look at all the competitors and decide if upgrading is the way to go or not...
Being an medium sized agency owner, I see that my older employees tend to be "stuck in their ways", and sometimes, not all, but sometimes, these ways are not the most productive, time efficient methods. My younger editors embrace new technologies and quickly adopt and create new methods and creative expressions. When I saw people complaining about the new FCP X, i immediately thought of a few of my elder employees that I had recently terminated for being "stuck".
We use Arri cameras, RED cameras, and Sony cameras, and really enjoy the new interface and update/s. Granted it's new and largely untested, but we haven't had any problems at all. We really appreciated that it took advantage of our new hardware as well. Some of my competitors are complaining that they didn't want to have to upgrade hardware. If your not upgrading hardware every two years your doing your company and your clients a major disservice. The cost of upgrades is easily mitigated by any company going enough quality work.
Some of the big shops are also saying "Well I'm not going to retrain my employees for a whole new software suite", well that's ok with me, I will and I'll slowly garner your business as we create creative pieces of work, in much quicker turn around times. Saying you don't want to re-train your employees isn't such a simple statement, your essentially stating that you don't do much training *at all* for your employees. Training employees especially when it comes to editing, is essential, otherwise you won't push them to utilize new methods...sometimes faster (project wise) and better looking methods. If James Cameron shared the same mediocracy ideology we would have never seen Avatar created. It means that when you hire an employee you will only indefinitely pull tricks from his existing "bag of tricks", I'll just terminate the dinosaurs and continue hiring fresh minds that are willing to push the boundaries and learn new methods, that's how we create positive momentum.
I have a living FCP7 project that uses a year's worth of custom Motion files that I am updating and creating weekly. If I am going to have to rebuild this entire library from scratch anyway (since apparently FCPX isn't backward compatible) AND on top of that, learn a completely new interface to boot, why not just switch to Adobe products where I know that they are not going to bend me over in the future (and they would be cross platform compatible).... Because even if Apple can recover from this debacle, who's to say they wouldn't pull a stunt like this again in the future.
The argument of just continuing to use FCP7 is valid, but my machine is 3 years old and I have been waiting for the new MacPros to be released. Now the chatter is that FCP7 might not run on Lion, which will surely be loaded on a new MacPro, which then makes me wonder, why am I paying the "Apple tax" at that point for the hardware. A PC will run the Adobe software!!
Apple's toys are fun (iPhone, iPad, etc...) but this is my livelihood.
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