No more Mozilla 1.8; in fact, no more Mozilla. Just Firefox.

"When I think of all the good that could have been accomplished if those programmers and hobbyists had decided to work on something useful and, you know, finish it I just weep." Those programmers did something very useful: they offer you FireFox 1.0.1, FireFox 1.1, FireFox 2.0 and so on and don't let Microsoft control the entire Web.

What about Camino?

John: If you haven't heard -- the new netscape is based on firefox. So the suite-lovers will be pretty bummed.

Wow Jeff--talk about ignorance. Mozilla wasn't/isn't a wasted effort. The Mozilla 1.8 codebase is what's going to power FireFox 1.1. There's a lot of things that the Mozilla suite has contributed to Firefox. It's just that Mozilla is simply becoming redundant and unnecessary since Firefox/Thunderbird and the other standalone apps are using the Mozilla code in a more efficient manner. Personally, I feel that having a bunch of separate products like Firefox / Thunderbird/etc is a better solution. For those who really like the Mozilla suite, there's always the Netscape suite. Not to mention that the current Mozilla suite will likely fork if there's enough interest. And Apple didn't actually do that much work to bring Safari up since the Konqueror/KHTML renderer was already pretty feature complete. The biggest thing that Apple had to work on in KHTML was the Javascript engine. Most of everything else was already implemented well in KHTML.

What a massive, massive waste of time and effort. In the years since that whole "Mozilla" nonsense started, Apple has had time to adopt a public-domain HTML rendering engine, bring it up to the current state of the art, and turn it into both a browser and a reusable browser component for developers, both damn near perfect, all at no direct cost to the end user. When I think of all the good that could have been accomplished if those programmers and hobbyists had decided to work on something useful and, you know, finish it I just weep.

Well we all knew this would happen. They have been talking about it for years. But the project is still open source and It can be carried of by developers besides the Mozilla Foundation. I am excited to see that Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird will now get all the brainpower.