Safari need not apply to Yahoo's preview

Gene:

I doubt you'll actually read this so late in the game, but you are right. There was no need for me to be that snide. While I stand by the thoughts behind the statements, there was no need to be a dick about it.

Bad day, what can I say. Sorry to anyone offended.

Oh, Grover -- it was a fine, civil discussion until you made your boneheaded comment.
A: I don't think anyone said that Safari was "totally standards compliant." It is simply far more compliant than IE.
B: Your assumption that only "morons" are commenting here--who have little more experience than altering MySpace CSS--is dismaying, inaccurate, and more than a little condescending.
You could have made your (valid) point about Yahoo's non-support for Safari with a little more grace and a lot less puerile snottyness.

You guys are proving exactly why they locked Safari users out. The second something is accessible, regardless of how it's labeled (test, beta, etc..) people expect flawless work. They only have one shot to make a first impression on their new design, so their going to make sure it's as smooth as possible. They're not locking you out to be dicks, they just probably haven't tested everything in Safari and can't make any assurances until they do. Safari makes up a single digit percentage of their users, so they're going test for the two browsers (one of which will allow Mac users access) making up like 90% of their users first. They'd be mentally ill to just assume it works and throw it out without testing, even if they expect it to work just fine in Safari.

Also, you guys saying "I develop websites, and I know that safari is totally standards compliant so these guys are just being jerks" are A.) wrong about Safari and B.) morons. Altering the CSS for your myspace does not make you a web developer. The HTML/CSS work on a content management system like that is the throw-away work they toss over to the interns. It's like someone saying they know what goes into building a car from scratch because they successfully changed their oil. Especially moronic was the "When I develop, I test in all browsers comment", because that's exactly why their locking Safari out....so they can properly test in that browser!

Remove head from sphincter, then comment.

So Apple is really dropping the ball with Safari's AJAX support. This kind of stuff isn't necessarily Yahoo!'s problem. There are many many sites web 2.0 sites that don't work quite right in Safari.

I have to agree with 16 as well... I've been designing/developing web sites for over 9 years now.. and if you do things Correct, Safari behaves Perfectly, as does FF, and other standard compliant browsers. I've designed several sites lately in particular where I did the devel. on mac, checked in IE late in the process, only to find IE doing ITs own thing. Not the other way around.

J...

Safari is fine as long as you stick with HTML/CSS. The problem is that it's lagging behind Firefox/IE in terms of JS support, hence the problems with Google Calendar, Windows Live, etc.

The UK version works for Safari http://uk.yahoo.com/preview

UK preview site works fine with no tinkering.

You can still view it with Safari,

Just enable the Debug Menu - check macosxhints.com if you don't know howto.
And then change the transmitted user agent to mozilla 1.1 and PRESTO Yahoo's new beta look in Safari ;)

#2 -- I have to agree with 16. Anyone's who's done extensive web design and development knows IE is the most un-compliant browser out there.

To not support Safari requires going out of one's way.

Think of all the money Yahoo spent on making the graphics and sticking in extra code to put up the graphics for Safari users. And now people are reporting it works fine with Safari. Those losers obviously just don't care.

IMHO, any web company that doesn't support Safari is just lame. If you start out your development targeting Safari you'll find that you only need to go back and tidy things up for IE and then you'll find that your site works on almost every browser out there. Not supporting Safari is asinine and lazy. There's no excuse for it. Anyone who says differently is not developing standards-compliant sites.

My 2 cents.

Cheers,
FL