Zune spokesman: Jobs "irresponsible, or at the very least naïve"

The point that SJ is trying to make that many missed, is that DRM'ed music is completely OPTIONAL! Buying CDs and ripping them is HARDLY a hassle. It takes maybe 5-8 minutes per CD to rip, thats about how long it takes to download an album. Used CD prices are dirt cheap these days, and you can just borrow them from your friends too. This is how it used to be before Legal Downloads and DRM bullshit.

Come back to the roots of the 90s, and buy cheap CDs, rip them, and enjoy no DRM. I buy from iTunes occasionally when they have better prices on new CDs that you cant find used yet.

Oh, and JumboBob, the retail version of Vista has been out for a week already. It's already "on us," for better or for worse.

This from the same people who came up with a shit brown music player. Consider the source.

Hey, truth hurts. Steve and his fannies can dish it out, but they can't take it.

But, didn't Apple and iTunes already work with the industry and make it happen? For about how many years now has the iTunes store been open? So I think Jobs has some room to approach this subject like he knows what hes talking about.

"iPod envy! Ha ha ha! It's like they have to make fun of Steve the way he has to make fun of Microsoft! Windows envy! ha ha ha! It's like they're frustrated because they're second to Windows XP, no third, because even Windows 2000 is ahead! Vista is on its way boys!!"

JumBo BoB, you sound like Steve Ballmer. Go away.

DRM can never work the way the industry wants it to. They will only make it difficult for legal consumers, and actually make copyright violation more attractive, while the real pirates selling DVD's on the streets for $2 have hardware that allows them to get around every restriction imaginable within days. When you can't rip a CD to listen to it on your music player, and find it's simply easier to download from P2P networks, you realize how ridiculous DRM is, and how it discourages purchasing music legally.

And for Microsoft to say anything about DRM after what they're doing with Vista--
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
--is quite comical. I do believe that DRM is already being loosened in various European markets, and I simply buy from http://magnatune.com/ or buy real, red-book standard CD's. Or vinyl records, even. I simply won't bother with music that feels the need to restrict me with licensing. I've stopped buying DVD's, too, after I discovered that ripping them to something like MythTV is illegal under the DMCA because you're circumventing the CSS encryption...

iPod envy! Ha ha ha! It's like they have to make fun of Steve the way he has to make fun of Microsoft! Windows envy! ha ha ha! It's like they're frustrated because they're second to Windows XP, no third, because even Windows 2000 is ahead! Vista is on its way boys!!

Hasta la Vista

:)

"No one seems to get the fact that DRM is here, and here to stay. The only way, and i mean ONLY way to ever expect to get content without DRM is to first stop illegally sharing content on P2P and torrent sites."

I wouldn't expect that to stop or even slow down until there's an easy way to legally download songs DRM-free. There was a time when I used Napster to download songs that I already owned on CD, simply because it was faster and easier than ripping. Likewise with iTunes, even at a small cost per song.

On DRM -- I like the ebook model used by ereader.com. They just give you a password to unlock the book in their reader software... but the password is the credit card number you used to purchase the book with. No chance of people sharing it, and none of the limitations about number of usable devices, etc.

Bruce? Or secretly a comment bot sent here by the RIAA?

"Business will function in a way to reduce cost and waste, while increasing profit, this is how the world works. If an industry can't turn a profit it will go under or change inorder to make a profit."

That's a cute idea, but have you ever seen anything of the "business" related to the "Entertainment" "Industry?"

Secondly, it's nice that you so quickly clear "Business" as some kind of neutral party working for earthly good, while everything is once again fault of the evil people, who are forcing, FORCING the the poor Industry to use DRM. Oh poor poor, Music Industry! How beautiful and pure you are! How dare anyone blame you for anything or have a different view of the way the world ought to be.

There are so many faulty things underlying your comment we could just go on forever.

We already have a world ruled by corporations.

"If an industry can't turn a profit it will go under..." Here's to Hope!

No one seems to get the fact that DRM is here, and here to stay. The only way, and i mean ONLY way to ever expect to get content without DRM is to first stop illegally sharing content on P2P and torrent sites. Business will function in a way to reduce cost and waste, while increasing profit, this is how the world works. If an industry can't turn a profit it will go under or change inorder to make a profit. You, as in the consumer, brought DRM upon yourself when you started using Napster. If you keep it up will will end up in a world ruled by Trusted Computing, there is no getting around that fact.