Is this supposed to be german? It should be like this: "Für alle deutschen".

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jpeg compression much?

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Everyone's a critic.

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and that is the biggest joke of these expensive plans:
Ab einem Datenvolumen von 200 MB
(Complete M), 1 GB (Complete L) oder 5 GB (Complete XL) pro Monat wird die Bandbreite im jeweiligen Monat auf max. 64 kbit/s (Download) und 16 kbit/s (Upload) beschränkt.
reading: above 200 MB, 1 GB or 5 GB per month the bandwidth will be limited to 64 kbit/s and 16 k/bit. and at the moment it is not clear whether it is referring only to the edge flatrate or the wlan rate as well.

that is NOT what we wanted and NOT what we deserve for 49 € (that is *1,44 in $ incl. tax), Mr. Jobs!!! Unglaublich. they gonna kill the iphone in germany.

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Who needs T-Mobile..?
http://einfachsmart.de/kitchen/erste-eindruecke-vom-iphone-mit-o2-deutschland

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Who needs T-Mobile?
http://einfachsmart.de/kitchen/erste-eindruecke-vom-iphone-mit-o2-deutschland

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This proves we are still a long way from mobile flatrate in Europe...(GPRS/EDGE/UMTS, pick your favourite...)

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Dang, if we get the same crappy rates and limits in France... I'll make a Revolution !

(I hopefully have unlimited EDGE on Bouygues Telecom but with a professionnal-only subscription, so If I get my hands on an iPhone at much less than the 1 KiloBucks they ask, why not)

Welcome to Europe, We have access to Nice Phones ... only the phones !

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"Für alle deutschen"

Actually it should be "Für alle Deutschen". Looks like I'm quite the Grammar nazi!

Also, you need to consider that in Europe, inclusive minutes are only used for outgoing calls/texts. Still, not that good of a deal, I'd say.

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i sooo much wanted to want to buy an iPhone. these prices though are disgusting.

instead i will get a HSDPA flatrate from a german provider www.moobicent.de for 39 euros a month. i can skype and surf to my hearts content at speeds that actually make mobile internet fun!

what a shame, apple and t-mobile. you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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The rates are unbelievable expensive compared to UK or US. Specially the included 100 minutes and just 40 SMS are a sad offer. And 39 Cent/min. for every minute over is breathtaking expensive for a 2-year contract. These prices could cause a flopp.

I buy my unlocked iPhone in France. As far as I know the government has decided that Apple has to offer also an unlocked version of the iPhone.

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Those rates will effectively turn a great revolution (namely: unlimited internet access, practically everywhere) into a flop and something to forget.
The iPhone is nothing without unlimited internet access, it just defeats the very sense of the device.
Shame on all of you, european carriers!

Now let's see what happens here in Spain. Even considering our lower average income per capita, I can see that our rates will be the highest, most outrageous ones, especially if Telefonica/Movistar gets the deal.
*BIG SIGH*

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NEIN! Nooooo SMS are not for free using this address !
Users have to activate this e-mail address gateway and in this case each incoming sms is charged to the recipient. This service has been provided since 10 years.

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In austria, rates are about 3 cent per minute with no base fee (with t-mobile austria subsidiary telering), so i do not see where that goes.

t-mobile austria has claimed to get the iPhone as well, but no word has come off their lips ever since.

now i know why.

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Doesn't having a hacked version of the phone suddenly sound like a veeeery good deal? Other providers offer voice flat & data flat for the same price and then you have UMTS (well not on the iPhone, but I am just saying) ;-)

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Yes these prices are rediculous-

I am also getting mine unlocked in France or not at ALL!!

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So can I buy a phone in the US for EUR 285 (=399/1.4) and then connect it to the German provider T-mobile? Saves me EUR 114.
Ruud

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They can keep all their SMS and phone stuff..

The only device we will need in the future is one that has global internet access at decent speeds, with a flatrate contract attached.

We can call local phone networks from the internet (see Skype), we can write "short messages" as much as we want (ICQ), we can write long ones too (E-Mail). To go on: We have our calendars online (GoogleCal), our to-do lists (TadaList), and even our shopping lists (RememberTheMilk)!

Everything! All in constant sync with todays hardware via established protocols (IMAP, iCal, RSS, XML, etc..)

And to add another level: We don't even need phone networks anymore. VoIP can do all that (GTalk, Skype). Basicly.. all we need is "THE WEB" in our pocket.

So 40 free SMS is no selling point at all.. it's more like an insult to me. SMS is ancient technology! Somewhat between carrier-pigeons and morse code.

With a internet flatrate i can send a gazillion short messages to anyone on the planet! And that in realtime.. simultaniously.

My call is: Wake up, providers!

As an example: I can't remember the last time i wrote a real letter on paper.. (u know.. with pen and all). Do you ?

E-Mail/PDF is already very prominent in our society and so will be a mobile web. That is, if they stop inventing proprietary tech and offer these at insane rates (see PS3 and BluRay.. it just doesn't work out).

- Kjell, Germany.

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i just want to mention that in europe you won't get charged for incoming calls and textmessages. which, in the usa, makes a big portion of min/txt usage.

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BTW- one of the unique things about T-Mobile's locking system is that their phones are locked to T-Mobile, but not to a specific country. T-Mobile is far cheaper in America (don't know about the rest of Europe) so people there can just take a German iPhone and apply the no-activation hack. No need for fooling around with the baseband radio, so no future problems.

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