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China blocks iTunes access, Tibet album suspected

The government of China has blocked access to the entirety of the iTunes store, and the publishers of a single new Tibet-themed album are claiming responsibility.

The album, Songs for Tibet [iTunes link], is a compilation of music by Sting, Alanis Morissette, Garbage and others, plus a 15-minute lecture by the Dalai Lama. The album is being released by the New York City-based Art of Peace Foundation, whose spokesman Michael Wohl said he believed the album was responsible for the outage, but couldn't prove it.

Wohl said the foundation issued a press release claiming 40 Olympic athletes downloaded the album as a display of solidarity, which he suspects triggered the shutdown.

Apple acknowledged that they are "aware of the log-on problems," but wouldn't say how many customers were affected nor comment further. The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, which regulates Internet use in China, did not comment either.

[Via the Associated Press.]



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srose

There aren't any native Indian albums condemning the mass murder over their people by the United States. Why? The entire tribe, including the song writers were also murdered. Is there any other government supports exile Native Indian leaders? No. I think china is too good to the Tibetans compared to what United States treated the native Indians.

When we traveled to the Great Smokey Mountains in Tennessee, the indian village has a few stories on display. As late as 1970s, the United States government is still killing (albeit indirectly) Indians by forcing them to leave home and move to the west.

Don't forget what happened in Northern Ireland in the 1950-70 period. I think the London government should be banned of Olympics. Their human right record will be under scrutiny in the next 4 years and torch relay will be interrupted due to the human right protests.

We also need to free the people in the Falklands, Gibraltar, Wales and Scotland. It is 2008, forget about the rules of queens and kings; that is absurd and stupid to even have a token. Minority rights should be respected and London should grant full autonomy to Northern Ireland, the Falklands, Gibraltar, Wales and Scotland.

If they do not deliver, we will boycott the 2012 Olympics.

August 25 2008 at 11:13 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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HandyMac

"There aren't any native Indian albums condemning the mass murder over their people by the United States."

Actually, there are. At least dozens, perhaps hundreds. Just this past week, a famous Native musician, Buffy Sainte-Marie (http://www.creative-native.com), who has been singing (and speaking) in most definitive terms about such issues for some fifty years, performed to large audiences at the huge, internationally-prominent Indian Market in Santa Fe, New Mexico (http://www.santafeindianmarket.com).

And how many native Tibetan albums condemning the mass murder of Tibetans can be found in China? Show me.

"Don't forget what happened in Northern Ireland in the 1950-70 period."

As for Northern Ireland, that messy situation is of a far different kind. The problem there is that a group of colonists who were moved into Ireland several centuries ago from England and Scotland, as part of the British government's effort to eradicate Irish cultural identity - an exact analog of the Chinese government's present policies in Tibet - were left behind when the British were driven out of (most of) Ireland in the 1920s. Though they live on Irish soil, they do not want to be part of Ireland, and they've had enough political clout to force the British government to support their insistence on remaining separate from the Irish Republic. And, of course, to help them maintain their hegemony over the (Catholic) Irish people in the Northern Counties they occupy, whom they regard with contempt.

A better analog to that situation would be the Russian colonists who comprise nearly 40% of the population of Latvia (mostly living in the capital Riga), who are now crying racial discrimination because after reclaiming its independence Latvia wishes them to learn the Latvian language and integrate into that nation.

Should Tibet ever reclaim its independence, I'm sure we would hear the same complaints from the Chinese colonists who now comprise the majority of the population of Lhasa - none of whom bother to learn the language of or anything about the "primitive savages" they rule - who would of course bitterly resent the loss of their dominant status.

As for the Falklands and Gibraltar, like Northern Ireland they don't *want* independence from Britain. As for Wales and Scotland, in fact they are claiming increasing autonomy nowadays - the very autonomy China promised Tibet in 1951 and never delivered, indeed quite the opposite - and may well become at least de facto independent in time.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you might as well at least get your facts straight.

The logic of this oft-repeated argument somewhat escapes me. If what was done to the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas by the European colonists in the last 500 years was a crime (and I fully agree it was, and remains), then how does that make China doing the same to Tibet *not* a crime?

In the 19th century and earlier, such colonialism was simply accepted; hardly anyone saw anything wrong with it. These days attitudes have changed somewhat. The Chinese themselves have complained bitterly about their treatment by the Western imperial powers and Japan during their "Century of Humiliation".

Yet the very minute they finally ejected all the imperial powers from their territory, they immediately set out to create their *own* empire, and ever since have been enthusiastically doing in Tibet, East Turkestan, Mongolia and elsewhere just what the imperial powers did to them.

Chinese people nurse a particular grudge again Japan, which briefly conquered and occupied most of China in the 1930s-40s. And what did Japan do in China (and Korea, and elsewhere in their short-lived empire)? They invaded, occupied, colonized and plundered the land, killed or imprisoned those who resisted, and forced the rest to koutou and struggle to imitate their masters just to survive.

In Korea and Taiwan, the people were forced to take Japanese names and educated in Japanese, presumably to make them into ersatz Japanese people, though the real Japanese still treated them with contempt. And they rationalized it all with the claim that they were bringing the benefits of modern civilization to benighted primitives. Sound familiar?

Sorry, I don't buy it. What's good (or bad) for the goose is good (or bad) for the gander.

The real irony is that the Chinese have it fully in their power to defuse the confrontation over Tibet in a minute. All they'd have to do is fulfill the commitments they themselves made in the "17 Point Agreement", which China unilaterally composed and forced on the Tibetans at gunp

August 27 2008 at 10:37 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
umijin

WTF do you guys (and Apple) expect? This is a totalitarian oppressive regime that has been given legitimacy on the world stage by being allowed to participate in the olympics, as well as the world economy at large.

Until someone has the balls and strength to hold China to a higher standard, there's no point in being suprised.

August 25 2008 at 10:20 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jeff

The racist comments on here are quite alarming. I am chinese american and am proud to be it. I am also proud of the government for putting on such a wonderful olympics. every government has their flaws. I do not think that America with such a blithering idiot for a leader has any right to say that China is messing up the world. To assume that China is evil when compared to the atrocities the US government has commited is just silly. I am not saying that China gov is perfect. I am saying take a step back and look at your own country before you go and bash someone else...

speaking of tibet, most people just go with the trend without knowing anything about it. its the trendy thing...

by the way itunes works fine for me. i listened to a few songs from this tibet album just now.

August 25 2008 at 3:30 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Shen

Nothing is black or white. Assuming Iraqi insurgents decides to make an album to fund their political activity and Apple decides to distribute it world wide. Should we sit there and do nothing, what can or should we do?

August 24 2008 at 6:22 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
xgun

Don't worry. We can get access to it now in China. You're too late.

August 24 2008 at 6:19 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
samu

While the block was clearly an overreaction on the part of the Chinese government, it and the possibility of more in the future are a reality with which Apple has to deal. On Amazon, all that was blocked was the single product page, suggesting that the reason China blocked the entire store was that there was no way of more precisely restricting access. If Apple make the App Store the only way of getting apps and updates, if they choose to sell (as they absolutely should) politically sensitive material, and if their store design makes blocked access for everyone a likely consequence of this, then they're failing in their responsibility towards customers. They clearly shouldn't pull the album, but they should take steps to ensure that the store is more robust against this kind of action.

August 24 2008 at 1:01 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Lawrence

Dashan:

The ban happened about 4 days ago (circa Aug 18) and was immediately picked up by the Chinese language Mac-related blogosphere. So the 'problem' is that TUAW has picked up an expired story (via Associated Press). But as with the case of other censored websites (Blogger blogs, Wikipedia, etc.), what we are looking at is probably a volatile situation; nobody knows whether today's lift of ban is temporary or not. It's entirely possible that someone uninformed about this ban reads this post in a couple of days and finds it totally valid.

August 23 2008 at 3:01 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Lawrence

The ban is (temporarily) lifted as of noon of Aug 23, 2008. Don't know how long it's gonna stay that way though. I live in Beijing and am using China Netcom as ISP.

August 23 2008 at 1:37 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dashan

I'm an American living in Suzhou, China. I read this article this morning (Saturday China Time) and immediately checked it out in iTunes via my US access ID.

No problem; the album came up and the music sample played.

Now what is the problem?

August 22 2008 at 9:43 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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