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Robert Scoble: 85,000 reasons why the iPhone won't be disrupted

Whether you think he's the voice of reason on the Web or an annoying pest, when Robert Scoble over at the Scobleizer blog speaks, people listen.

Yesterday, a Twitter follower of Mr. Scoble stated that he thought "iPhone users were beyond reason," referring to the almost unnatural fixation that most of us have for our phones. Scoble brought up a very good point in his blogged response -- every app that comes out on the market (more than 85,000 at this point) provides another way to customize your iPhone to the way that you live and work.

In order for another manufacturer to come out with a device that will pry that iPhone out of our fingers, they're going to need to exactly duplicate or surpass the functionality that we've become used to. That's not likely to happen, in Scoble's opinion, because the 85,000+ apps that filter down to a couple of dozen (or hundred) apps on each iPhone turn that iPhone into something completely unique. It's not likely that any iPhone user is going to want to give up that up unless every app in the special combination on his or her iPhone is replaced by something better.

It makes sense. I've worked with all of the other smartphone platforms, and in no case have there been compelling apps that hold me to the platform. With the iPhone, I've tried thousands of apps, kept about a hundred, and those hundred apps let me work and play the way I want to. iPhone developers have also made sure that the apps are simple to use, too.

Perhaps the Android or some other smartphone platform will eventually evolve to the point that there is a critical mass of compelling apps that provides the same magical combination of power, ease-of-use, and fun, but until that time the iPhone will reign supreme. That's even despite Microsoft CEO and iPhone hater Steve Ballmer's recent assertion about the iPhone, "That's why they've got 75,000 applications -- they're all trying to make the Internet look decent on the iPhone."

Obviously Mr. Ballmer hasn't used an iPhone, or he'd realize that the iPhone is much more than Web apps. That might also give Ballmer a clue why Windows phones aren't even on the radar for most smartphone buyers today.

Whether you think he's the voice of reason on the Web or an annoying pest, when Robert Scoble over at the Scobleizer blog speaks, people...
 

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thinkoutloud77

Wrong. Robert Scoble says that to beat the iPhone, you have to give consumers something that is BETTER than what the iPhone gives you. So basically, take the iPhone to the next level.
But that's not true. To get the iPhone out of our hands, all we need is something that the iPhone CAN'T give us. For instance... a cell phone/taser. There isn't an app for that [yet]. Or how bout a cell phone/microwave? It's all about something that's UNIQUE. The iPhone provides that, so to appeal to consumers, you have provide something ELSE that's unique. You can't just try and BEAT Apple.

October 26 2009 at 11:11 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
transconjohn

My friend got the MyTouch on Sprint, I begged and pleaded with him for a month not to. I did all but grab his ankle and held him in place on that fateful day he sauntered into the Sprint store.

Maroon MyTouch in hand he comes home and tells me he likes the feel and look, the International calling plan was his main reason for the decision.

Today, two months later, he is indifferent to the phone, I constantly hear from his mouth, "I wish there were more APP's, I really like that (insert APP here) you have on your iPhone."

Some people just want to buck the trend even when that trend has a track record. Now I admit, I will be the first on my block to take my two iPhones and run from AT&T when they open the phone to other carriers, but I will NOT get rid of the iPhone itself.

October 26 2009 at 5:27 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Joshua Ochs

"other smartphone platforms, and in no case have there been compelling apps that hold me to the platform"

I'll back this up. I had a Treo for the longest time, and resisted the iPhone specifically because it couldn't replace my strange and yet very useful mix of apps. By the time the 3GS came out, the app store did indeed have "an app for that" for everything on my Treo (except Pocket Quicken). I finally made the switch, but never would have until I had everything covered, even my encrypted VNC connection to remote into servers from my phone. Yes, I use that ALL the time.

Likewise, with a vibrant developer community on the iPhone, it will be that much harder to displace it. And every day I'm finding yet another new little app that makes life easier - and it will be that much harder to get me off of it.

As for Windows Mobile, it may have those apps - but have you seen WM lately? Function before form describes it well - and that's generous, as the function isn't always that great either. Windows Mobile is an outstanding platform for those who have low to no standards.

October 26 2009 at 4:37 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Ney

Where are the 1400 apps that are good and 300 that are really AWESOME????? The big problem is that you have to find them in a 85000 crap appls... That's why Apple really need to make a Awesome tap and Crap tap. The problem is there is not enought Awesome Apps and that will look apple bad. If someone create a list that you can search for the Awesome ones... it would be create, but now you are in a middle of a mess of 85k graps.

October 26 2009 at 4:31 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Level 5

Again duke, you're an idiot.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/21/canalys_iphone_outsold_all_windows_mobile_phones_in_q2_2009.html

There's the article wiki got their info. On an pro Apple site. I didn't post the link because THE CHART IS IDENTICAL and it has been verified as fact by a site WITHOUT the amount of bias as Apple Insider (Canalys).

How would I not know what browser the phones I've used for the past 5 years has? Once again, you're an idiot. Do you know what browser I use? No, because MANY exist for WinMo, from webkit-based, to javascript, and yeah, even IE. Also, when's the last time you used a Windows Phone? Not recently enough to know you no longer need a stylus.

And when it comes to facts:

Because it means that I have an advantage over 90% of the population when it comes to productivity (prove it)

which means time saved (prove it)

which means that I make more money (prove it).

Not to mention in my field you're considered a clown if you use Windows and nobody will take you seriously (prove it).

So what did YOU say that's actually a fact? Nothing.

October 26 2009 at 3:21 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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macduke

1.) I have an advantage over 90% of the population when it comes to productivity:

Expose, spaces, gestures, dashboard, quick view, automator, rarely crashes, no viruses. I've used PC's since Win 3.1, and would spend ridiculous amounts of time trying to keep them running, let alone running at optimal performance. My first PC was a hand me down from my grandpa...a 386 I think with a couple megabytes of ram on Win 3.1 Then I had a Pentium 75mhz with 32mb ram 1.2gb hd on Win 95, Pentium II 233mhz 64mb ram 8gb hd on Win 98 SE, Pentium 4 1.9ghz 512mb ram 40gb hd on XP (home built), then a 3.4ghz Pentium 4 2gb ram 200gb hd on XP / Vista (home built), then a Pentium M Dell Inspiron 9300 2gb ram 80gb hd, then a 2.4ghz Macbook Pro 4gb ram 500gb hd. I switched to Macs a few years ago and I've spent 30 minutes since then upgrading to Snow Leopard and trying to fix the extra button configurations for my Logitech Mouse. That's a lot less of a hassle than the 65% of people who still use XP and are trying to upgrade to Windows 7. They have to delete everything and start over! I have saved so much time, especially since I don't have to run a ton of processes in the background just to make sure my computer isn't being attacked or infected. I just don't even have to think about it ever. Not even once. Not even one time have I ever had to worry about anything. I can't emphasize this point enough. I've used tons of PCs and this is different and so much better. My wife still has a Dell Inspiron 9400 Core Duo and it drives us crazy. She is always stealing my mac when I'm not looking. My grandpa, a lifelong PC since the beginning, and the former head of a multimillion dollar government ballistics research lab finally swiched to Mac last week to edit his photos and videos.

2.) Which means I save time / make more money:

Obvious, as I said, because I save a bunch of time (see above). Time is money and my time is worth $50 / hour.

3.) Not to mention in my field you're considered a clown if you use Windows and nobody will take you seriously:

I'm a graphic designer and photographer. Most creative firms use Macs. That is an undeniable fact. Ask anyone in the creative field. Do you seriously want me to take a photo of the huge mac lab that I'm in right now at my school? There isn't a PC to be found in this department. Google "Microsoft laptop hunters ads made on a Mac."

The last time I used a Win Mo phone was late last year. A girl in my drawing class was trying to copy and paste something into an email and couldn't figure out how so she asked me since most people know me as a tech guy. It was hideous to use. I have no idea how old it was. I really don't keep up much with Windows anymore. I understand that you don't need a stylus, but most people I know with Win Mo still have them.

Unless your statement is poorly worded (likely), how in the hell do you have a Javascript based browser when you need a browser to render JS?

Come on though, you've got to admit that having built in IE6 is as lame as it gets. Especially since most people will just use whatever browser comes with the phone. I also doubt any webkit based browser for WinMo is anywhere near the quality that Mobile Safari is.

Also the only reason I jumped on your ass about citing the wiki article is that you were criticizing a blog about writing a post about a post by another blogger. I mean for real? Saying they aren't citing facts, and then using a wiki article to back it up. You surely see the irony. I don't care if I'm posting facts or not. I was simply making light of your ridiculous train of thought.

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October 26 2009 at 10:01 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Level 5

Jesus man, once again, never failing to amaze. Since this is fun for me, and you keep responding with stuff that obviously begs to be responded to; let's have some fun.

"Expose, spaces, gestures, dashboard, quick view, automator, rarely crashes, no viruses."

Good for you, you can quote OSX's features. These up your productivity HOW? Plus, copied or not, Windows has comparable features. Honestly, saying you're less productive in a comparably featured OS proves you don't know the OS you're less productive in. The first time many buddies of mine used Linux, they were instantly familiar, because they have computer prowess.

"Obvious, as I said, because I save a bunch of time (see above). Time is money and my time is worth $50 / hour.

I'm a graphic designer and photographer. Most creative firms use Macs. That is an undeniable fact. Ask anyone in the creative field. Do you seriously want me to take a photo of the huge mac lab that I'm in right now at my school? There isn't a PC to be found in this department. Google "Microsoft laptop hunters ads made on a Mac.""

Undeniable fact? Citation Needed. I don't really give a shit about your huge Mac lab, I really don't. It also doesn't mean shit if MS ads are made on a Mac. MS contracts firms to make the ads, they don't regulate what system they use. Microsoft (and every other company on the planet) pay for the RESULTS, not the method to make said results. If the results are satisfactory fit the price paid, the company is happy. Again, if you can't use other programs and systems besides XXX software on a Mac, that's sad. A serious pro would have prowess on mostly anything. Honestly, if you loved Chevy and you hail a cab that's a Ford, and choose not to take it because it's a different vehicle; yet that's still getting your to your destination, that's stupid. This is exactly the same.

"The last time I used a Win Mo phone was late last year. A girl in my drawing class was trying to copy and paste something into an email and couldn't figure out how so she asked me since most people know me as a tech guy. It was hideous to use. I have no idea how old it was. I really don't keep up much with Windows anymore. I understand that you don't need a stylus, but most people I know with Win Mo still have them."

Hideous how? That's like saying your buddies Honda Civic was a horrible car to drive, then walking away. Even so, this makes about the most sense of anything you've said.

"Unless your statement is poorly worded (likely), how in the hell do you have a Javascript based browser when you need a browser to render JS?"

Again, reading is awesome. I didn't say the browser was Javascript based. Next you'll tell me a browser is IE based, when it's not, it's IE. The statement had a typo, btw. Java not Javascript (which it does run JS). It's called Opera, and a mini or mobile version is available for pretty much every smartphone, even jailbroken iPhones in due time as well.

"Come on though, you've got to admit that having built in IE6 is as lame as it gets. Especially since most people will just use whatever browser comes with the phone. I also doubt any webkit based browser for WinMo is anywhere near the quality that Mobile Safari is."

Then you obviously have never used Opera Mobile or Iris. The only higher "quality" you could hope for out of Safari is a higher framerate on the scrolling, and multi-touch. Opera has Flash Lite and JS, so both OS' browsers win AND lose. Never having used those, you wouldn't know this.

"Also the only reason I jumped on your ass about citing the wiki article is that you were criticizing a blog about writing a post about a post by another blogger."

Which I jumped on because it wasn't based on facts.

"I mean for real?"

Yay-uh, fo real doe.

"Saying they aren't citing facts, and then using a wiki article to back it up."

But see, I DID back it up, using an Apple fansite no less! Did you fail to read again? I didn't post the full adress because as previously stated, the graphs were the same. More people visit wikipedia than appleinsider.

"You surely see the irony."
Not really, but you do take the bait every time and it's fun.

"I don't care if I'm posting facts or not."
Yet you seem to care if I do. And, I do cite factual sources.

"I was simply making light of your ridiculous train of thought."
Again, opinion. Citation Needed. But good for you, want a cookie?

October 26 2009 at 10:34 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
ron

is there an app for a different provider yet?

October 26 2009 at 2:39 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Christian de Saint Preux

Most of the iphone's shortcomings can be dealt with by jailbreaking, so in the end it is the "perfect" platform overall...

I do not think the writer of this article is a fanboy, honestly. Support is what in the end seals the deal on a device. Sure I would love to have a 5mpix cam with flash on my phone, but.... What is worth more? THat I have the apps that I really find appealing or a camera? that is something every customer must weigh and I am sure that the 85k apps simply is support.

There is an app for that just makes the iphone a LOT more than an phone. Although I wish to have a better "hardware" than what I have on my 3GS, i find the lack of software support via jailbreak and/or app store to be a very important point of interest. After having an iphone, I just want a tad bigger screen.

October 26 2009 at 2:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Christian de Saint Preux

As of now, the iPhone has exactly the same advantage that PC has over Mac.

October 26 2009 at 2:33 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Ney

Give me a break!!! 85,000 apps!!!! 99% are just crap and rep-offs. I have download more then 300 of them and only 5 a ok... and one good one. When someone ask me to show some cool appl on my i-phone... I can't find any to show before the person walk away. Too many crap and we as stupid keep giving high ratings on stupid/dum appls so will confuse people of think it is good. waste of money and time that you will never get back. 85k of jumk and that 's the true. Apple is going after quantity and not quality... And now is too later to fix this mess... I will Apple make a section on the apple store for the 85000 and growing crap appl and put them all inside. and the rest (maybe 20) on a section of good appls. But I don't think they have 20 !!! Remember that quality is better then quantity apple.

October 26 2009 at 1:54 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Christian de Saint Preux

By using your logic and math, this means.... that out of the 85k apps, there are 1400 apps that are good and 300 that are really AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now... The same proportion will exist whether it's android or windows and you will get what??? 100apps that are good and 20 that are awesome??? not a lot of choice.

That is the whole point the writer is making.

October 26 2009 at 2:36 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Level 5

Honestly, if there's one thing I LOVE about the iPhone and much Apple-related wares, it's the use of Helvetica. Helv is one of the most commonly used fonts in the world, it comes in all weights, etc, and is easier to read on paper and on screen than any other font IMO.

Lucida doesn't cut it, Segoe doesn't cut it, Tahoma and Trebucht MS didn't cut it. I swapped out all the fonts on my Touch Pro for Helvetica and the device is much easier to read at a glance. I mean swap them if you want to, but remember Apple's heavily vested in design, there's a reason the iPhone and iPods switched away from Lucida/Myriad.

October 26 2009 at 1:44 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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SIP

Helvetica? Aaaargh!!

Seriously, try using Calibri and the difference and improvement it makes to your iPhone/iPod Touch.

October 26 2009 at 2:05 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
SIP

And all this just from the apps available on Apple's AppStore. Just think about all the apps available on jailbroken iPhones through Cydia, and that 85,000+ becomes 100,000+ -- conservative estimate as I haven't tried to count all the non-Apple approved apps (including themes, etc) out there.

Right now, one of the best apps available is FontSwap (http://iphonefaqs.org/fontswap.html), which allows me to change the awful fonts that come as standard on the iPhone.

October 26 2009 at 1:38 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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