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Some tips when visiting the Genius Bar

Nobody likes it when their shiny Apple gear breaks. About a week ago I walked in to the Apple Store here in Knoxville to meet with an Apple Genius about my iPhone 3GS. It seems my phone was crashing much more than normal -- I logged around 90 crashes in the five months or so that I had the device. I walked out of that Apple Store within about 30 minutes with a shiny-new iPhone 3GS. How did I do this without yelling? Read on.

TIP: Don't take something to the store upon first crash.
I had "put up" with the crashes for a long time. Patience is a virtue, although waiting until your warranty is up is not good. In this case, I had experienced enough crashes across enough updates to indicate the problem might not be the OS itself. Unless your Mac or iPhone is clearly broken, try searching for your issue on the Apple discussion boards and search the support docs for troubleshooting tips. Some basic troubleshooting tips usually include: rebooting, uninstalling/reinstalling, setting up a Guest user account (on Macs) or restoring your iPhone to factory settings.

TIP: See what conditions cause the issue to occur and document or explain those to the Genius.
In my case I "restored" my iPhone (a clever euphemism Apple uses to hide the true meaning: nuke your device back to factory settings) and tried starting from scratch. My frequent crashes and disconnects from iTunes while syncing indicated a hardware issue if the OS wasn't corrupted. So I had to eliminate the OS as a cause by re-installing it.

The problem was, as a factory-fresh install, the iPhone worked fine. So I started adding only content, not apps. Music and videos starting eating up the gigabytes and, sure enough, things started to go horribly wrong. I was able to reproduce the issue only when the device was filled with more than 2GB of data, it seemed. This indicated it was not the sync cable (I had tried several anyway), but possibly the memory in the unit itself.

TIP: Bring any supporting materials with you (error reports, logs, etc.) and explain each issue in detail.
I had the luxury of using Xcode to peep my iPhone's crash logs. You can find these for your Mac in Applications > Utilities > Console, but they are essentially hidden for users on the iPhone unless you are a developer. My crash logs indicated something very, very wrong: the backup tool that runs each time you sync with iTunes was bombing in a bad way, as though I had ripped out the iPhone in the middle of a sync. That again indicated (to me) that there was a bad block of memory somewhere. When the Mac tried to read or write from that block, the OS just freaked out and crashed.

TIP: Try it twice.
I tried restoring my iPhone twice just to make sure I didn't get another corrupted install. It amazes me how computers screw this up, given that they are supposed to be famous for doing the same thing given the same set of instructions, but "things happen" as they say -- give whatever you're doing two chances to make it right. Three strikes if you are generous and have the time. Personally, it was a huge enough pain losing all my preferences and settings and game data the first two times. I felt I had enough info at this point to march into the store with a Genius Bar appointment....

The Genius at my store was impressed with the level of detail I was able to go into, and as a result he was able to simply confirm my findings and provide me with a new phone. It took longer to charge the device (which had been sitting in a drawer for a while) than it did to diagnose.

Be patient, be aware, come prepared -- do those things and your unfortunate trip to the Genius Bar may not be in vain.

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Sam Katz

Have you tried using Disk Utility? Could you see the files from the *Mac* command line?

December 12 2009 at 12:47 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mike

I have another tip:

Don't expect that the geniuses can actually do anything for you.

I came in with HFS+ problems. My system would boot, but many files were inaccessible due to some filesystem issues (and wouldn't allow login). I could access many of those same files using the HFS+ Linux driver.

The geniuses advice: reinstall. Thanks, Microsoft.

My point: they have very few specialized tools to fix REAL problems.

December 11 2009 at 9:31 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Typo180

AppleCare doesn't cover software trouble. They'll provide training and how-to questions, but they don't have to fix your file system. Why? Because most issues like this are caused by the user and can be extremely tricky to fix. Buy a copy of Disk Warrior or just backup and re-install. I'm not sure what more you would expect a tech to do.

December 14 2009 at 2:58 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Brian Burns

I'm glad you happened to note the genius was impressed with your detail.

December 11 2009 at 8:27 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Q

I recently went to get my magsafe exchanged. Done without any fuss or delays, and I was out of there in 15 minutes.

Having said that, I think the blogger is writing absolute garbage to suggest that if I have an issue with my machine I should wait before making use of my applecare. A lot of people are often close to bullied into buying these schemes, and its ridiculous to suggest that they should deal with their own problems if something goes wrong.

I appreciate a lot of people on this blog will self diagnose, but that is certainly because being tech savvy they know how to do so, often faster and more conveniently than taking it to an apple store.

December 11 2009 at 6:37 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Conrad

Getting your MagSafe replaced vs. an iPhone is a completely different story.

The MagSafe either works or it doesn't. The iPhone is a ton more complicated. It's very hard for a Genius to pinpoint the problem that a customer is having on the spot.

December 13 2009 at 4:33 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Allen Klosowski

Or you could have Horrible Genius Bar experiences like I have. For example when my wifes two day old iPhone 3gs had a totally unresponsive screen. They told us it was our fault due to water damage even though the phone was only two days old and had never been bear water. Forced me to pay another $200 for a replacement. I did. Took it home to my wife only to find that it was a 3G not a 3GS like I had taken into the store for repair. Went back to the store and they refused to believe me. Said it was an impossible for them to make a mistake and that I must have been lying. It was insulting and wasted hours. Took me hours for me to get them to believe me and admit to their mistake.

Also, everytime I show up on time for my Genius Bar appointment I still end up waiting 20 minutes for them to call my name. I think they do it on purpose toget you to buy more Apple junk in their store while you wait.

December 11 2009 at 1:36 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Vaganza

Before you even go, check Google. Chances are, you aren't the only one that has had this issue and someone else likely has a solution.

December 10 2009 at 8:41 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Chase

The techs at the bar will do everything they can to get you to leave happy. Especially if you're nice. Here's some simple tips to help you out...

1. Make sure you are up to date with your firmware (especially if you are using an 8GB iPhone on 3.1) . Update that guy to 3.1.2 immediately, see if that fixes your problem.

2. If you're getting any sort of voicemail problem or MMS problem, check with AT&T first. Because the Genius can do absolutely nothing at the bar besides check if your having the same issues if they put your SIM in their test phone. To clarify if it's an AT&T or phone issue.

3. If your battery is draining faster than usual and it started happening all-of-a-sudden. 99% of the time it is a software corruption. You need to restore to factory settings. Which brings me to my next point:

5. ALWAYS sync your contacts with Address Book or (if you're a PC user) Outlook or Windows Address Book (as well as pictures). The iPhone is like a computer. It's a complex piece of technology - it is possible for your software to become corrupted and cause Apps not to Open or your Battery to drain faster than usual. Which means, if they replace your phone or restore your phone to factory settings, using that backup you created in iTunes is worthless because it contains the corruption. You'll lose contacts, calendars, and pictures if you don't back those up using other ways besides iTunes backups.

6. If your phone has a white screen, but still rings, will switch to vibrate mode, etc. It's a bad display (either caused by water, dropping the phone, or manufacturer defect). Bring it in. They can replace the display for free if it's under warranty. If not, it'll be a penny.

7. If they screen is not responding to touch. Bring it in. Most likely it's a cable in the phone that has come loose. Re-seating the cable usually fixes it.

7. If you're phone has been dropped in water. Don't try to act like it didn't. They're are 4 indicators in the phone that can tell if it's come into contact with liquid. As well as the corrosion they can see in the dock connector. And no, the sensors are not rigged to be tripped after a certain amount of days.

8. Buy AppleCare if you think you'll have the phone over a year.

9. Remember the Genius is on a time limit so he or she is trying to help you out as fast they can, while still trying to keep your spirits high. They want you to leave happy.

December 10 2009 at 8:30 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Oliver

Wow, Chase! I don't think a Genius could have come up with a more complete list. Do you work at Apple?

December 11 2009 at 12:14 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Chase

That's a strong possibility. :)

December 11 2009 at 1:14 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
rich

you have a year factory warranty on your phone, simply take it into apple tell them there are "software problems" make one up. As long as your phone isnt physically damaged your good. Im on my 14 iPhone only paid for 3 2g 3g 3gs, there were reasons for each return but it was cake. Simply restore from backup and your new phone is your old phone just shinnier.

December 10 2009 at 8:24 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Oliver

That's absolutely ridiculous. Warranty fraud is a criminal offense, and by going through so many phones needlessly, you've helped increase Apple's costs (and the prices of Apple products).

Thanks.

December 11 2009 at 12:17 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Adam Schoales

Other tips:
expect to wait. a lot. even if you have an appointment. at least if you're going to the Apple Store in the Eatons Centre in Toronto. Lots of businessmen will walk in whining about their iPhones and Laptops and they always seem to get squeezed in ahead of me, despite waiting around for 45 minutes, and DESPITE having booked an appointment earlier in the week.

Also, expect them to run ALL the tests even if you tell them exactly what the problem is. I've gone through 4 superdrives on this MBP (and nearly 6 on my old PowerBook). I have the sheets from every single visit. I know the error codes like the back of my hand. And still every... single... time... i have to go through the same rigmarole just to get them to agree to replace it. You'd think by this point they'd let me just walk in put down a piece of paper and leave.

The other best advice: call applecare first and get a case number. Things will go much quicker - and you may actually walk away with a solution. I called applecare who determined I did indeed have a malfunctioning battery. Went to the genius bar and TOLD them this and they STILL insisted on running tests which they claimed to show the battery being fine. I told them that the people at Applecare said it wasn't, and that I had a case ID, and I wasn't leaving until I had a new battery. After about 15 minutes of typing I got what I went there for.

But maybe it's just my Apple store? Apparently in the US the service is GREAT! In Canada... not so much.

December 10 2009 at 7:42 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
waiownsyou

"Some basic troubleshooting tips usually include. . .setting up a Guest user account (on Macs)"

That's very, very bad advice, TUAW. Some Mac newbies on Snow Leopard before the 10.6.2 update might delete irreplaceable data because of that one line. I miss when the information TUAW threw around was reputable.

December 10 2009 at 7:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Typo180

It's not a big deal at all if you have a proper backup, right? Right? If you have something important on your computer that you don't want to lose, then you should have it backed up. That's extremely important.

December 14 2009 at 2:47 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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