Apple making its own chips starting with the A4

Apple products are really so good and to know that they will have release A4 chips.
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A4 is an ARM CorTex9 based system on chip. ARM designed the cpu and a lot of the support stuff. Apple will have taken that design under license (they've had one for many years, since around 1990 or so) and added more support stuff around it. If they have an architecture license these days, they might even have added some extra capabilities to the CPU core.

They didn't design it from the ground up, they built on 20 years of experience with the design. It isn't intel x86 compatible, it's better.

@Ed (other)

"Don't know if they have been partners with ARM"

Actually, Apple owned a huge stake in ARM at one point in time. ARM actually spun off from Apple and another company when Apple was creating the Newton. So in fact, the iPad is more than just a device with the Newton in its heritage, it's actually a child of the newton.

I believe Apple finished divesting itself of its ARM investment during the dark days when ARM was worth a lot and Apple was begging for cash.

I`m sorry Jordan...

If you cannot stick to real arguments other than gut-feelings, I guess this discussion is dead to begin with.

Please buy a Zune-phone and continue your discussion elsewhere.

I've never heard the use of components in a product as being monopolistic... I think you're misunderstanding the term. Any company can have a 'monopoly' on the things that make up their products, but where do you start? Even with Apple making their own processors, they're still paying a company in the far east the fab them for them, they're still paying someone to extract silicon and process it. They're still paying ARM licensing fees for the processor design. The only thing they aren't doing is paying Samsung to use their version of an ARM core.

The more integrated something like the iPad is, the better it is, at least in terms of performance and battery life.

I think you'd have a really hard time convincing any court that using your own components in a product was monopolistic. Consumers aren't buying the components, they're buying the product. That's entirely different to bundling Internet Explorer with Windows - both are distinct products, something that Microsoft tried to argue wasn't true. If Apple started giving you a free iPhone with every Mac purchase, and Apple had a PC monopoly, then that'd be monopolistic behavior.

You are blaming Apple for EU regulation.

I agree that the same rules should apply for Apple but one can hardly blame a company in persuing the goal of producing high quality hardware.

Fact: Compiled iPhone OS software does not run on Intel, Motorola or AMD.

If ARM is not powerful enough to upgrade performance, the only way is to redesign it and build it yourself.

Here is a thought. This will be the chip that runs the 4th gen iPhone / iPhone OS 4...

Just a thought, cause we have to assume that both of those will be out this late spring/summer.

(and can still hold out hope for a Verizon deal on the iPhone)

Excuse my Dutch, but that simply is a load of poep.

What exactly is bad about Apple being in control over their own hardware?
For all i know, Apple is still -at first- a hardware manufacturer.

And, as someone else said above, Apple probably outsourced the actual manufacturing of the processor. And even if they didn`t... People have to produce it... how is that loss of jobs?

Competition? If the A4 turns out to be a great processor, how is that bad for competition? Won`t it encourage other manufacturers to try a little harder?

What seemingly no one is old enough to remember is that ARM was originally a partnership between Apple and Acorn and that the ARM was designed specifically for the Newton. It was then opened up and then spun off into a consortium...

This isn't Apple's first foray into silicon, this is them taking back inhouse something they coinvented.

Tegra, Snapdragon, Pre et al all use "Apple" processors, well the decendants of...

Hasn't Apple been a partner in ARM for some years now??