NY Times details Google/Apple relationship souring
What began as a jovial relationship between Google and Apple has devolved into an ugly personal and legal battle that's only getting worse.In 2006, Google CEO Dr. Eric Schmidt joined Apple's board of directors. Google and Apple collaborated on the iPhone's mapping services, and a year later, Schmidt joined Jobs on stage during the iPhone's introduction at Macworld Expo. The two men were all smiles and compliments, and the venture looked bright.
After the iPhone's release in the US, both companies went about their business, both collaboratively and independently. While Apple worked on solidifying a foothold in the global smartphone market, Google continued development on Android and the Chrome OS -- both competitors to Apple's iPhone and OS X. Eventually, the divergent interests of Apple and Google came to a head, and Dr. Schmidt resigned from his position on Apple's board due to "...conflicts of interest."
Today, The New York Times points out, the chasm between these two men and their companies is deep and personal. At a recent town hall-style employee meeting, Jobs had harsh words for his former collaborator:
"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake: they want to kill the iPhone. We won't let them."
Schmidt offered a conciliatory response to the Times, saying, "I continue to believe, as many do, that Steve Jobs is the best C.E.O. in the world today, and I admire Apple and Steve enormously."
Earlier this month, Apple sued HTC, the Taiwan-based handset manufacturer that builds the Nexus One for Google, for 20 patent violations related to the iPhone. While Google was not named in the suit, it's generally held that this was meant as a warning shot across Google's bow. "We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO." We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
Just this week there's been some jousting of personnel. On one hand, RJ Pittman, a prominent product manager at Google, has left the company to join Apple. Yesterday he said, "My last day at Google. Incredible experience. Amazing people. Moved mountains. Next chapter. Hello Apple." via Twitter (the tweet has since been deleted). In an email that TechCrunch obtained, Mr. Pittman told his former coworkers, "I was sprung from Google by a little company down the road that you might have heard of called Apple...They've created a pretty neat role for me, which I will be able to talk about soon after I've started working there."
On the other hand, former Sun technologist Tim Bray (co-inventor of XML) has joined Google's Android team, and quickly posted some harsh words for the iPhone:
"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and fear his anger. I hate it."
Rumors suggest that Apple will replace Google as the iPhone's default search engine (an arrangement that earns Apple millions of dollars every year) with Bing. Google continues to push Android and Chrome, Apple moves ever further towards its own goals, and the battle is going to get uglier.
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Sounds like Karma to me!
¡¡¡talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
c'mon APPLE a.k.a Steve Jobs... "own up."
example:
APPLE used to be the sole operating system used in the film & tv industry's editing workstation (AVID)--currently the leader in the industry. APPLE teamed up with AVID and the relationship flourished UNTIL rumours leaked that APPLE had begun secretly using the design of AVID to create "their version" of a competing editing system. all suspicions were confirmed when APPLE unleashed Final Cut Pro, a direct competitor to AVID! outraged, AVID opened up their editing system to include the PC platform. (from Jobs to Gates!) AVID did attempt to sever the relationship entirely with APPLE, but too many users of AVID work on APPLE computers.
it's one thing to enter a market and become a competitor, but is entirely different and unethical to take advantage of such relationships; "designing" your own product using the very knowledge acquired within that union.
Sounds like Karma to me! in the same manner APPLE is claiming GOOGLE violated patents and abused their relationship resulting in the new Droid, APPLE abused proprietary technology garnered from their relationship with AVID.
i hope GOOGLE prevails and kicks APPLE's butt!
For Jobs to claim APPLE is under attack and the "enemy" is out to destroy them is ludicrous. The very same [whimpy] cry could have easily been said by AVID to APPLE, yet was not...
"We did not enter the COMPUTER business. They [APPLE] entered the FILM EDITING business. Make no mistake: they [APPLE] wants to kill the AVID MEDIA COMPOSER. We won't let them."
... Apple released final cut pro, a considerably inferior system, that keeps undercutting AVID in an attempt to "wipe them out."
Allegiances are oft formed seeming to be happy unions, yet quickly souring when someone crosses ethical lines, or back-stabs... both in personal and business relationships. it's the human condition.
Bottom line, given the opportunity corporations will ruthlessly steal from one another in an attempt to acquire a market advantage. It's a "Jungle" in the business world as it is out in the wild.
Even though I have an iPhone and I love it, I'm on Team Google. I believe more in what Google is trying to accomplish. It's ultimately better for consumers, methinks.
March 16 2010 at 3:50 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyApple has to remember, that although Google entered the phone business after them, Microsoft, Nokia and others were there before them. It's a free country for competition-but when it doesn't go in Apple's favour they don't seem to agree.
March 16 2010 at 2:54 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI much prefer Bing to Google, in blind results, so removing Google (which is a lovely company to work for but lousy to actually deal with) is a bonus for me. but I'd really love to see is a mobile Apple-powered search app, that runs and interacts with other apps natively and smoothly.
March 15 2010 at 9:00 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThis feels like MS and Apple all over again. Apple innovates but is restrictive, MS is open and initially working with Apple. MS trumps Apple and has a (relatively more) open model. Replace MS with Google.
March 15 2010 at 4:45 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythe best way for apple to keep the iPhone successful is to not focus on petty rivalries and just keep on improving their product. google has the right to compete in any business they choose freely, as does apple.
March 15 2010 at 4:20 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyAt the moment Google has the lead in internet search. The Google app on my iPhone is probably the most-used app that didn't come pre-loaded. I try to avoid anything Microsoft like the plague and have used Bing a grand total of once!
The iPhone has held a unique position for a while and it was only a matter of time before something that seriously challenged it turned up. That's what drives innovation. However, I don't know if the HTC phone is the challenger...
Google's contribution to the iPhone has been a major factor in its success with apps being on the phone out of the box. Despite working on its own idea of a phone, I've not seen any indication of Google announcing it will no longer provide content of the iPhone. (If they have, I missed it).
Any future without Apple working with Google on the iPhone experience is going to be a poorer one.
I was struck, actually, by how little additional detail the article contained. The only thing that advanced the story at all was this: âIâve never seen anything quite like it in my life,â one Apple employee says. âIâm in so many meetings where so many potshots are taken. It feels weird.â OK, I didn't know that.
The flashiest quote in the article was absurd on its face: "One well-connected Silicon Valley investor, who did not want to be identified talking about the Google-Apple feud, says he is stunned by the level of rancor heâs witnessed. 'Itâs World War III. Amazing animosity is motivating two of the most powerful people in the industry,â he says. âThis is emotional. This is the biggest ego battle in history. Itâs incendiary.'"
World War III? Really? Biggest ego battle in *history*?
Everything else is stuff we've heard before -- the development of Android, the HTC lawsuits, Jobs saying he wouldn't let anyone kill the iPhone, and the buying of ad companies.
Nothing in the article suggests to me anything that falls beyond the bounds of two tech companies in healthy competition with each other. Maybe it exists, and the truth is that it's WWIII, but that particular story failed to show that.
"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake: they want to kill the iPhone. We won't let them."
If Steve really said that, it reveals a childish, spiteful attitude that will not serve Apple. I don't believe Google, or anyone, wants to kill the iPhone; they just want to compete with it. Apple needs some competition, and an intelligent, adult CEO would welcome it as an incentive to keep his own company on its toes. Apple is in no danger from anything but its own ingrown paranoid, narcissistic arrogance.
HandyMac, I can see both sides of the coin here. Apple and Google went from being partners to competitors. If anyone borrowed intellectual ideas, I'd point the finger first at Google and start asking questions (that's what Jobs was referring to). That being said, I think Apple should level the playing field. If Google wants to compete in the phone business, it's only fair for Apple to compete in the "Search" business.
March 15 2010 at 1:46 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyPerhaps it's time for Apple to get serious about "Search." After all, "Search" is just a fancy algorithm, and I'm surprised Google was even able to code it, but I wouldn't have been surprised if Google had just "bought" the algorithm they currently use. I think it's time for Apple to get a little iNasty with some "Search" algorithms of their own and an entrance into Social Networking. After all, everybody's doing it :)
March 15 2010 at 1:24 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDude that made no sense. Go back to living under your rock.
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