Adobe CEO reponds to Steve's Flash rant
Just hours after Apple posted Steve Jobs's explanation of why Flash isn't supported on the iPhone, iPod touch or iPad, Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen responded. The Wall Street Journal live-blogged their exclusive interview with Narayen at 2:35 PM Eastern. Here are some of the highlights.Narayen began by reinforcing Adobe's belief in open content, noting that the Creative Suite apps were designed to work on multiple platforms, and notes that Adobe "certainly" will be shipping on the latest version of Android. He goes on to call Steve's essay "a smokescreen," noting that more than 100 apps are currently in the App Store used Adobe's software.
In response to Steve's assertion that "...Flash is the number one reason Macs crash," Narayen said that, if Adobe does crash a Mac, it's probably got something "to do with the Apple operating system."
He goes on to warn developers that Apple's restrictiveness will make their work "cumbersome," saying that they'll need to manage two workflows: One for Apple and one for everything else. In fact, he asks WSJ writer Alan Murray if the Journal would want two separate development processes when creating content. Mr. Murray responded that it would be "...better if you could use one set" of tools.
Finally, Narayen insists that Apple's adherence to a single platform is a detriment. He concludes that Adobe's concept is best for most developers, as it allows them to distribute apps out to many places rather than forcing them to pick one.
And for the record, Narayen uses a Google Nexus One and considers the iPad "a good first-generation device."
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Steve:
Since my iPhone was stolen, I was told that Apple couldn't be bothered to let me know when the thief activated it through iTunes. Apple couldn't be bothered to let me know when Apple was contacted to sell new music and apps to that stolen device.
How can I know be concerned about flash or other Apple concerns when Apple doesn't care about me?
Not open macosx how?
The kernel code is free available as darwin and there are API to do anything that FlashPlayer need to do, but not how the code of FlashPlayer wants to do it, what Adobe means by not access is not access at the same API model for which they have already optimize the code for Windows. There is a new concept, you write an application to run in a operating system not the other way around.
FlashPlayer is the perfect example of the worst of converted app, is develop an optimized for Windows and then the minimum to make it run in other operating system is made.
While we're at it: I'd like to have FrameMaker back on my mac !
April 30 2010 at 2:18 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyNot having Flash on the iPhone hasn't upset me at all. Mainly I learned to avoid sites with Flash content years ago because they used all my resources on my old PowerMac G4 (dual 1ghz cpus). Even when it did work, the animations were slow or stuttered.
So I have adopted a philosophy of using sites that are simple web pages, html, php, jsp, or asp with no Flash. Granted there are times that is inconvenient, but even if I do come across a Flash-intensive site that I really want to access, I always click the "skip intro" or the link for the non-Flash site if they have one.
As a retired web geek, I think too many "web designers" (notice I didn't say "webmasters" - the designers are usually non-geeks) rely on the Adobe tools too much and make "pretty pictures" that are usually short of content, don't index well for search bots, and are resource intensive. Management always votes for "pretty" over "technically feasible."
what an irony. look at this. http://captainronan.tumblr.com/post/559935858/what-an-irony-just-when-the-adobe-ceo-boasted
April 29 2010 at 11:26 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyLinkbait headlines suck. ⦠Steve Jobs, "On Flash" was not a rant, it was specific, pointed, and accurate, unlike the anti-apple claptrap put out by TUAW.
April 29 2010 at 10:08 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHa google will eventually take control over both! I just know it!
April 29 2010 at 9:36 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyUgh, I am so tired of hearing about this! Grow up Adobe! If you want everyone to use flash MAKE IT A STANDARD that is integrated in every browser NOT a 3rd party plugin! Quit shoving your crapware down people's throats!
April 29 2010 at 9:06 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI think that this Narayen guy has a point. Part of it. Only one point that relates to the common user.
First off: I don't want nor do I need flash on my iPhone.
Second off: I want Flash on my iPad and MacBook. BECAUSE I HAVE TO USE IT.
First point. Why? I mostly use my iPhone to do things that cellphones are made for. Making calls, sending SMS, checking and updating my calendar, checking email etc. I don't need to, nor do I want to use my phone to browse the internet. Neither do most of the people using iPhones. It's not made for it. For the same amount of time it takes to slowly write the web address on the iPhone I could just easily take out my iPad or Macbook from my backpack and browse away. Why would I, or the common user, even want Flash to drain away my battery life?
Second point. Flash on my iPad or MacBooks OS X. Why? BECAUSE I NEED TO. Not because I want to. Most major websites these days use Flash to run their extended content. Thank goodness Youtube amongst others have taken a step for the better by making HTML5 available as an option to those who want to use it. Most users don't even know the difference between these two. They don't even have to know it.
I know most of you will now think: "Oh my god this noob, thinking that flash is not available for MacBook and OS X..." Well of course it's available for OS X. But not without problems. I myself have restrained from using flash (Via ClickToFlash and Flashblock) because it makes my CPU go insane. Still I HAVE to use it on some pages that I regularly use. Shame.
Usually My CPU's temperature stays at around 55-60 degrees celsius (Don't know how much that is in fahrenheits). When a page utilises Flash my CPU goes wild and the temperature rockets up to 80 degrees celcius. NOT GOOD.
This is because Apple hasn't opened OS X enough to Adobe, so that they could correct these problems that affect end users the most. Atleast this is how I have understood it.
This is the one point that Narayen is correct of. Open Content part.
Why did Jobs, in his letter to Adobe, even bring out the point of Open Content when Apple (The company that's so notorious of their secrecy and closed code) can't reach out and correct the issues with Flash and OS X to begin with?
I have the feeling there's more than a grain of truth in what Jobs said. I've been studying Flash Actionscript 3 for some time and now that I'm really getting comfortable with it this comes along. Oh well I sure Flash will still be around for a few more years. I'll just have to start learning javascript really well. Writing ajax using oop js still seems pretty crude compared to AS3 and Flash... Maybe Flash will be around for a quite a while yet. One thing that Jobs overlooked is that Flash isn't strictly proprietary. There is open Flash.
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