Lodsys now going after apps with More Apps buttons
Not happy with merely going after app developers who offer in-app purchase in their iOS apps, Lodsys is now sending out infringement letters to developers who cross-promote apps. Developer EpicForce received an infringement notice from Lodsys over its iFighter 1945 game, which offers users the option of purchasing another EpicForce game, Super Laser: The Alien Fighter, from within the app.
Many App Store developers engage in this kind of cross-promotion within their apps, including big names like PopCap (recently acquired by even bigger name EA). Lodsys is now asserting that its patent on in-app purchases applies to these cross-promotions as well, which could indicate that this "patent litigation factory" is looking at expanding the scope of its lawsuits against app developers.
EpicForce emailed Lodsys to attempt to dissuade the company from its lawsuit, but Lodsys is adamant that app cross-promotion falls under the rubric of its patent. Lodsys's full letter to EpicForce is printed below.
Apple has recently made motions to intervene in the dispute, and for the sake of the App Store's livelihood, let's hope the intervention is successful. Lodsys may assert that it's merely trying to "protect its rights," but what it's really doing is threatening the entire development environment for iOS devices.
--- Lodsys' letter ---
My name is Harry Snodgrass and I have been assigned your account. I would like to respond to your email dated July 4th, 2011 attached below. First let me state that Lodsys is interested in a positive dialog with the goal of a prompt and reasonable resolution to this matter.
In your email you refer to the following - "directed to systems and methods for providers of products and/or services to interact with users of those products and services to gather information from those users and transmit that information to the provider".
The title of a patent, such as stated above, is a general description of the area the patent addresses to allow for more efficient searching of patents and their general subject matter. The patent we sent a claim chart for has a claim that is directed at eliciting from a user, through a user interface presented by the product or service, a perception of the user of the product or service.
The patent specification sets forth many different types of perceptions and how they may be elicited. One of those is through interactive services and transactions. Specifically, a perception that can be elicited is the desire of the user to indicate their desire to purchase something that is related to or complementary to the product or service.
In this specific case, the perception being elicited through the offer to the user to buy "Super Laser: The Alien Fighter" through the interface presented by iFighter 1945 is, "Do you find our games valuable enough to buy another game we think you are interested in from us?". The elicited perception is returned to you (you are the vendor of both iFighter and Super Laser) through the revenue you receive from the app store for the purchase of the new game.
I trust that this has clarified the matter and that you now understand that we are not mistaken. We would like to enter into meaningful discussion with you about an appropriate license that is scaled to your use of our patented invention. We look forward to doing that as soon as possible.
Regards,
Harry Snodgrass
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Not happy with merely going after app developers who offer in-app purchase in their iOS apps, Lodsys is now sending out infringement...
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I think I will submit a patent for patent infridgement :) but on a more serious note, why hasn't there already some kind of patent validation that the holder must develop some kind of physical or virtual implementation of the patent within a certain time period otherwise they can invalidate the patent and allow others who actually owns the technology to hold them. This would definite deter those who's sole purpose is to generate patents on some plausible and would-be future technology, and waiting for others to develop it and hit them with infringement and collect loyalty?
July 14 2011 at 11:47 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replysoftware patents suck and must go.
July 14 2011 at 10:32 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyI can't wait until a little no-name company realizes that Lodsys is infringing on one of their patents and sues them.
July 14 2011 at 12:42 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyLodsys doesn't make anything so it's unlikely
July 14 2011 at 6:45 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyApple has NOT intervened on this one & in fact made it quite clear that this cross-promotion issue is something they cannot help with at this point. I certainly hope that they review the situation asap.
July 13 2011 at 8:44 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDid I miss something in what Apple provides iOS App Developers?
"The elicited perception is returned to you (you are the vendor of both iFighter and Super Laser) through the revenue you receive from the app store for the purchase of the new game."
- Do app devs see their sales figures in a manner that would specifically indicate "100 purchases came from your other app, 49 came from site visitors on epicforce.com, 20 came directly from the App Store..."?
- If not, which is my understanding, then how can sales number be any indicator of the elicited perception?
- Does this mean that the App rating system that elicits ratings when launching the App is in violation? Could this bring Apple into the Lodsys cross hairs?
When I read the letter, it seemed more like a patent about soliciting feedback about a product, like a survey or rating system...
Regardless, it's ridiculous.
Doesn't the historical practice of this invention/concept super-cede their patent? I"m under the belief that alot of software has been using this practice before they submitted and were granted a patent?? Is this a wrohg assumption?
July 13 2011 at 7:35 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplySo they think they've patented advertising. I hope that when the courts are finished with them, that the lawyers that told them this was a good idea are gone after for malpractice, ala MP3.com.
July 13 2011 at 6:54 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThis patent would basically apply to every piece of software ever written that has a demo mode and allows you to purchase the app from within the demo version.
This case is never going to see a courtroom - because even the friggin idiot judges in Texas (where so many of these patent suits seem to be filed) can see how ridiculous this patent is.
What do you expect from a guy named Harry Snodgrass?
July 13 2011 at 6:50 PM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyThat is, if you think that's his real name. If I would to pull off a major d-bag move of the century like what is going on right now, I would not have use my real name. I would come up with a ridiculous name like that, perhaps "Sir Gaga"
July 14 2011 at 11:50 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplySo.. any ad promoting a purchase also violates their patent?
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