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Sorry, Scott. I still choose Safari over Firefox for the bulk of my browsing

You can’t read any tech news these days without being bombarded with the fact that Firefox is taking the browser world by storm. Goodie for Firefox. It’s a perfectly fine browser and if I had to work on the Windows platform all day long, it would be my sole browser, for sure. It kicks IE’s insecure, buggy ass. But on the Mac - Safari still rules my browser kingdom.

Here’s why:

I’m a speed freak. For me (as always, your mileage may vary), Safari is still significantly faster. And when you are accustomed to command-clicking 20+ tabs open in a matter of seconds, speed is important. Everyone I know talks about how fast Firefox is. Faster than IE and Netscape 7 and Mozilla, sure, but it’s not as fast as Safari - not on my machines at least.

No close widget on each tab. I often want to close tabs that aren’t active. If the tab is active, I can command+w to close it, but if the tab isn’t active, I have to make it active before I can close it. I hate that.

Without using an extension, the tab bar cannot be always in place. That’s minor, but jarring when you are used to having it always there, as I am with Safari. In Firefix, the tab bar goes away when there is only one tab open. So I downloaded the  extension. But I shouldn’t have to. It should be a preference. CORRECTION: As many of you have pointed out in your comments, there is a preference in the current version of Firefox to keep the tab bar in place when only one tab is open. I don’t believe that was an option in pre 1.0 versions of Firefox and I admittedly didn’t notice it there in 1.0 until I just checked. Or maybe I’d missed it all along? Regardless, I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing it out!

It doesn’t look like a Mac app. I don’t want to download a bunch of themes to make Firefox look like it belong on my Mac. And frankly, I think most of those themes suck.

It doesn’t behave like a Mac app. This really annoys me… when I am in a single-line form field, the address bar or the search box, I am accustomed to being able to use my up and down arrow buttons to jump to the beginning or end of a text entry. Firefox ignores the up and down keys in those places. It wastes my time. Similarly, command+up has no effect when I want to jump to the top of of page from the bottom (or middle for that matter).

I will give Firefox credit where credit is due. There are some very cool extensions you can install that enable you to do some pretty amazing things with Firefox. And when I want or need to do those things, I switch to Firefox for that session. Firefox also works on a handful of sites that Safari breaks with (the WIN intranet publishing backend, for example, that I am composing this very post in)

Bottom line: For Mac OS X, I think Firefox still has a long was to go before it beats Safari. It will be a contender one day, I’m quite sure of that, but it’s not there yet. Until it matures, Safari will remain my primary browser of choice.



You can’t read any tech news these days without being bombarded with the fact that Firefox is taking the browser world by storm....
 

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Arun

One feature which Safari (Pre-Tiger) doesn't have, but Firefox does is built-in RSS. I think that's a super-cool feature which is missing on Safari, and if Firefox weren't so darned slow on my Mac, I would be using Firefox all the time...

April 15 2005 at 6:56 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Micah

If Opera didn't crash more often than a blind drunk driver, it would be my default browser. Safari is my default, however. I hate how firefox leaves all these windows media files on my desktop. In safari, it is deleted after I watch them. Both safari & firefox need to do some more work on their respective pop-up blockers. Here recently, i've started to feel like I'm surfing in the old-days. I've been getting these pop-ups pretty darn frequently. Opera is the only one that blocks them all.

March 13 2005 at 1:57 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
ToddG

I think the Mozilla rendering engine (in Firefox) is often faster, but the non-Cocoa UI of Firefox is what makes it sometimes seem slower to use. It's a shame, because I too often find myself staring at the BBOD (Windows has a Screen, we have a Beachball) often, especially on large pages or after using form-heavy pages (that's when it doesn't just crash on form-heavy pages). And I wish Safari released more often, but I guess being from Apple they can't do the release-early, release-often routine. I would guess (please please please) that the next released Safari will be quite improved. I sure hope so at least. Or Apple sends me a free G5 PowerMac. Hmmm.

February 03 2005 at 5:24 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jon Hicks

It's Safari and Omniweb all the way for me. Many of Firefox's cool extensions now have an equivalent for Safari, especially with Saft. Camino is just too basic for me - current nightlies are really speedy, but it lacks so many features. I also prefer the text rendering in Safari. I think this is because it uses Quartz rather than Quickdraw.

January 29 2005 at 6:37 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dan Creswell

I run CodeTeks Virtual Desktop and whilst I love Firefox and would like to use it, the keyboard focus issues drive me insane. Camino doesn't suffer the same problems and thus is my default browser. IMHO, Safari is a nice minimalist browser but it's a little short on configuration and slower than either of Firefox or Camino. My two cents.....

January 18 2005 at 4:45 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
GEAH

I check eBay often and, in my experience, Safari is virtually incompatible with eBay. Searches almost always bring up the beach ball, often for what seems like an eternity. Firefox flies on eBay and seems fine everywhere else, so I'm a Firefox convert, though I'm happy to go back to Safari if Apple fixes the issues it has with eBay.

January 16 2005 at 12:35 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Shaun Murray

The beachballs in Safari are caused by the godawful slow auto-fill usually. Switch it off if you're on a slow Mac or have limited memory. I guess the Safari developers aren't running on 500Mhz G3 iBooks, which is where I searched and searched for a fix for the problem. Now I'm on a G5 it's not a big deal. ;-) I'd echo the praise for Camino. If you're going to run a Gecko based browser on a Mac, Camino wipes the floor with Firefox.

December 21 2004 at 12:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Holls

Both, Safari and Firefox are fine pieces of Software! I think Safari is a bit faster than Firefox. The most annoying thing in Safari is that it don't save the hole page (including) when I need it (maybe someone can correct me). In Firefox I miss the Tab-Close-Button on serveral Tab insteed one Button for the highlighted Tab.

December 18 2004 at 6:09 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Gil

Boy, I find Safari MUCH slower that Firefox. Lots of "spinning pizza" delays on Safari, hardly ever on Firefox. (OS 10.3.6 on PB 12" G4 - would love to know if there are ways to get it working faster.) OTOH, I do agree about "Firefox ignores the up and down keys in those places." I hate that too.

December 17 2004 at 5:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
barb dybwad

I use Safari, Firefox and Camino and run them all simultaneously, all the time. I like Firefox because it feels more like a 'command center' than a browser, particularly when outfitted with extension bells and whistles. I use Safari as my 'research' browser, but it has a fatal flaw: the spinning beach ball of death. The fix is supposedly to delete your cache of favicons (as per http://www.macmegasite.com/node/1356), but at least for me, that solution is so temporary. Within a day or two Safari is back to its old tricks and I find myself twiddling my thumbs watching the spinning cursor for 30 seconds before I can actually type in the text box I've clicked on. Annoying. Plus, it sucks to have to quit Safari to delete the favicons, because before quitting I either have to manually go through and bookmark/add to del.icio.us all the places I want to go back to, or lose all of those 'to be followed' threads. Is there some add-on to Safari I can get that will allow me to save a list of the URLs of all open tabs?! Please?! Given that I routinely have 10+ windows with 10+ tabs open in each... which admittedly eventually crashes almost any browser. :) I haven't met one yet that can handle me! heh.

December 09 2004 at 11:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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