New MacBook Pro benchmarked within Boot Camp

The good news is that the MacBook Pro is faster than ever, and graphics have significantly improved. And trust us, any improvement over the old chips is a step in the right direction.
The bad news is that in a practical situation (like playing the Crysis demo, which is actually about a year old at this point), a MacBook Pro in Boot Camp at the highest settings isn't actually playable, and the 15 fps you might squeeze out of it on a good day still can't compare to the 50 fps you can get out of even average video cards in a Windows PC. If the graphics are turned down, it's a different story -- we've seen a new MBP run games well in Boot Camp already, so it'll play, but Apple still has a ways to go to be competitive with brand new games.
But let's keep this all in perspective -- it's very good news when you compare the new MacBook Pros to the old ones. Apple is at least realizing that 3D performance needs an upgrade in their units. Maybe next time around they can bring some software updates into the mix as well, and we can start to see some real competition in high-end performance.
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It's a shame the test (or the review) wasn't more comprehensive to include how friggin' hot this computer gets when running XP in Boot Camp. What some users have referred to as a "better than PC" execution of Windows, I believe is actually a ham-handed attempt. The most frequent rebuttal is, of course "well who uses Windows anyway? It's a Mac, use OS X!" but then, if a need wasn't identified, Boot Camp would never have been created. This 2.8 MPB is my first Mac after previously owning three PCs, and I was lured into purchasing it partly because of the enamored description by many of the MPBs dynamic ability to run both its native Leopard as well as Windows in via Boot Camp. I do not, however, agree that lap-burning temperatures, the failure to utilize the energy-efficient 9600M GPU, horrible right-click touch pad support and utterly dismal battery-life numbers make for a dynamic MacBook Pro at all.
ZeroCorpse - I am curious in what ways your consider your MPB to be superior to your previous PCs in running Windows XP ... I am genuinely curious.
an edit to my previous post: the 9400m was the processor to which I was referring, the built-in GPU which no Windows platform currently supports in Boot Camp.
February 02 2009 at 11:41 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyEh, whenever benchmarks are done, they *ALWAYS* use the game at the highest settings.
It's a stress test.
I wouldn't say the MBP is garbage based on it's performance on crysis.
FWIW, no Apple computer can play Crysis on it's highest settings at native res.
Hmmm. Aside from this being a bogus test, does anyone have any input as to how their new MBP is behaving with XP running in Boot Camp?
I bought a new MB and returned it because Boot Camp simply couldn't handle running XP without crashing. Little did I know, the new MBP isn't much better. I STILL haven't been able to keep XP running in Boot Camp without catastrophic crashes...
I'm not sure what problems you're having, but I'm running Boot Camp on my unibody MacBook and it's fine. In fact, I'd say it runs Windows XP better than any PC I've owned or built. It's rather smooth and hasn't given me a single crash yet.
I'm running XP Home, and I've not tried Vista yet. I'm tempted, because XP Home can't recognize my MacBook's full 4GB of RAM (it's a 32-bit OS) and Vista might have a better shot at that with the 64-bit version.
What happens when RAM gets cheap and I upgrade to 6GB? It seems a waste to run 32-bit XP and not utilize 2/3 of the RAM in my system because the OS is too stupid to address it.
I also do virtualization via VMware Fusion 2.1 and it runs very well on my Macbook. The only reason I use Boot Camp instead is because VMware just doesn't lend itself well to most games, and I'm having limited luck with Crossover Games.
In deciding whether to load World of Warcraft or Neverwinter Nights in OS X, or in Windows XP, the choice was obvious to me. In OS X I can access all 4GB of RAM. Why would I install in the OS that is crippled when it comes to accessing RAM on my system?
You cant even quote your own references correctly.
"..the 50 fps you can get ..." but none of benchmarks actually reach 50 fps!
Go back to school, You need it.
Also, I would personally consider 50 fps in something like Crysis to be a bare minimum. Average of 50 is going to mean quite a few times where you're dropping down to the 20-30fps range, which is quite noticeable. Now if you have a /minimum/ fps of 50, you're probably good to go.
November 19 2008 at 3:40 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyIf the new MBPs are like my (older) one, then the video card comes underclocked. A quick fixer with ATI Tray Tool gave me a +17fps performance boost in HL2Ep2.
Battery life might suffer a little, yeah, but I'm not exactly playing this on the road, and I've got a decent cooling solution for the increased heat.
I should also mention, using DHMod Tool to install the latest (desktop) drivers has helped a lot too... Don't know if there's such a thing for the NVidia cards, though.
November 19 2008 at 2:08 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyWhat does "within boot camp" mean? I don't use Boot Camp - I go for the Parallels virtual machine - but I thought that Boot Camp simply was simply a toggle switch. Isn't the test really just a test of the new MPB's hardware capabilities? What does Boot Camp have to do with it? (Maybe my understanding of this has always been wrong - I've assumed that Boot Camp is only needed if one wants to toggle, and that if somebody really wanted to, they could actually just nuke the hard drive and turn the machine into a pure, Windows - or Linux, for that matter - only unit.)
Enlighten me!
Well, since most of the GPU-intensive games are Windows-only, and since virtualization solutions tend not to have full DirectX support, the only way to fully exercise GPU hardware is through the use of BootCamp.
November 19 2008 at 3:35 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHas Apple even released updated Boot Camp drivers for these machines? That might be partially responsible for the slow performance.
November 19 2008 at 1:11 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplySeriously... we're taking a laptop with a 9600GT and comparing that to a desktop with an overclocked 8800 Ultra running at high settings?
Can somebody explain how this test was [I]ever[/I] relevant?
I don't seem to have a problem playing Fallout 3, Crysis, or Left 4 Dead on my new MacBook Pro.
November 19 2008 at 11:57 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyA 9600 is not a "shiny new graphics chip." It's an low-end card that is basically a rebranding of the 8000 series. There have already been articles with gaming benchmarks in things like Spore. That's about what you can expect to play with a Mac laptop. Nothing wrong with that either - it's the best card we've had in a portable yet.
Why do we keep doing useless 3D benches on Macs? This article gets republished in some form every time a new Mac is release, and the results are all exactly the same. There are plenty of great games you can play on a Mac. Crysis is not one of them. And we knew that a long time ago.
Fair point, but do note that this is a Windows benchmark.
Still, the 9600M GT is a 120Gflop chip, while NVidia's own notebook offerings top out at 420Gflops (9800M GTX). There's no way you're going to get that kind of performance, however, with a reasonable battery life.
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