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Adobe is testing optimized Flash Player beta for the MacBook Air

Today Engadget sat down with Adobe's Shantanu Narayen and asked him what the MacBook Air's increased battery life -- sans Flash installed -- meant for the future of Flash in the wake of HTML5.

Narayen kinda dodged the question with this stay-on-message answer: "When we have access to hardware acceleration, we've proven that Flash has equal or better performance on every platform," but then went on to say that Adobe is currently testing a beta version of Flash specifically designed for the MacBook Air.

When Apple introduced the new MacBook Air, news quickly spread when it was discovered the company had left Adobe's Flash Player off the system. You could still run Flash content on the Air just fine -- you just had to download the plugin and install it yourself. Apple said they left Flash Player off the Air so users would be sure to download the latest version.

After the new MacBook Airs dropped, however, Ars Technica ran some tests and discovered that having Flash on the MacBook Air could reduce its battery run time by as much as a third. This led me to speculate that the real reason Apple left Flash off the Air is so it could advertise higher real-world wireless usage battery numbers. Shortly after that, Adobe's CTO said the reduced battery time would be the same if the Air was running web pages with HTML5 video.

With today's acknowledgment from Narayen, it's nice to see that Adobe is still trying to make Flash Player a contender. It still seems like Flash has its work cut out for it, given that virtually every major tech company has decided to throw their support behind HTML5.



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Adrian vG

Will I be able to run the optimized and less battery-hungry and processor intensive Flash on my MacBook Pro too?

November 17 2010 at 4:20 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Ian

Don't be silly, Apple didn't provide them with MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro or Mac Mini samples with which to optimize for. Of course they can't just use the existing Core2Duo, Corei5 and Core i7 machines to optimize, they NEED free stuff from Apple.

November 19 2010 at 2:35 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jeff Harris

Adobe has been treating the Macintosh platform as a second class citizen for at least the past ten years.

Without Apple and the Macintosh, there would BE NO Adobe!

Now that Apple and many Mac users have decided to turn away from some less than efficient Adobe technologies, Adobe is screaming "this time it will be different, I'm really going to change!"... just like some spouse beater when he/she hears the sirens.

Sorry Adobe, as far as Flash on the Mac goes, it's too little, too late.

And while you're at it, why not sell off Freehand! Oh, wait, you don't WANT any competition. Certainly not from an application superior to Illustrator!

November 17 2010 at 1:40 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
ciaran

I don't know about you guys, but my MBP doesn't sound like it's just about killing itself with HTML5 video as it is with Flash. On YouTube. That's a good enough test for me. Adobe got lazy, and now their technology's getting side-stepped.

Why the heck does the Adobe need a sample of CORE 2 DUO MACHINE running the same MAC OSX AS ALL OTHERS MACS and the SAME GFX AS MAC MINI to optimize? They could have done it, they've had the opportunity for a long time and they didn't. More BS from Shantanu. Spiel is getting tired and old.

November 16 2010 at 11:16 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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ciaran

My comment was in reference to the part of the interview where guy says it's not optimized for MBA because Apple didn't give them samples.

November 16 2010 at 11:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
drange

It's the same kind of whining we heard from Narayan when he said "Apple didn't allow Adobe to use the GPU acceleration API's", even though at least 2 workable GPU acceleration API's had been available to them for over a year at that time (OpenCL and GLSL), the latter of which has been in OS X almost since day 1, and both of which would have the enormous benefit of being portable to about every current OS and hardware platform Flash should ever run.

Apparently Adobe expects the whole world to do their job for them, providing hardware and software interfaces on a silver platter. I honestly think Adobe isn't all that bad, they make some very nice software and Flash player on Windows isn't actually that bad. They just took far too much work on them trying to get Flash running everything and should just have sticked with desktop systems and optimize for that. That, and Narayan is a real douche who doesn't seem to care that no-one with just the least bit of technical background can take his excuses seriously.

November 17 2010 at 5:41 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Alahmnat

Great, so Adobe is improving hardware acceleration of h.264 video. Exactly how does this help mitigate the cripplingly terrible performance of the player in OS X when it's doing ANYTHING else?

Not that I really care; the only thing I use Flash for besides watching video is Homestar Runner, and TBC seem to have moved on to greener pastures at this point, so whatevs. I've been meaning to rip the DVDs into my library for a while now anyway.

November 16 2010 at 8:10 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tali

Can anyone tell me if other laptop batteries are affected as much as the MacBook Air when flash is installed?

November 16 2010 at 6:51 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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John from the Falls

Purely anecdotal but I disabled flash on my MBP last week. I spend most of my time browsing and key an eye on the battery meter. I feel I get much better battery time and my fan doesn't run nearly as much. I mostly use Chrome but when I see the "missing plugin" message, I fire up the same page in Safari and the vast majority of the time, the content loads as HTML5 (since I disabled Flash in Safari, as well.) I'd like to figure out how to get Chrome to send what message is necessary to the web-site so that it automatically serve up the HTML5. Again, purely anecdotal but seems to be working well for me.

November 16 2010 at 11:53 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Philippe Chassany

A demo has been made at the Adobe MAX in L.A. this year;

A HD video on a MacBook AIR rendered with the new Adobe Stage Video technology .. impressive!

http://www.flashmagazine.com/news/detail/adobe_max_sneaks_livenotes/
(search macbook air)

November 16 2010 at 6:24 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
woody

OK TUAW this is boring.
Someone from this site tell me HOW HTML5 is comparable to flash.
You're just quoting what Jobs tells you. Without the technical knowledge to make judgements.

November 16 2010 at 6:02 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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jadam

I do believe the benchmarks for the Air were performed with Flash installed. Therefore, not installing Flash gives you more battery life than specified if you're surfing most of the time.

November 16 2010 at 5:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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John.B

Correct. But that doesn't stop them from firing up the Adobe FUD maxhiine when it suits them. The travesty is that so-called "tech journalists" won't hold Narayen's feet to the fire when he won't respond to the questions being asked.

November 16 2010 at 7:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Gillan

Can Flash just hurry up and finish dying, please?

November 16 2010 at 5:36 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Chad Upton

For web experiences to improve, we need both Flash and HTML5.

HTML5 is a standard. Like any standard, they make basic innovations standard across all browsers. Yes, HTML5 plays video, but you're not going to see much of it on any sites with high value content because it offers no way to secure the content, which is a big deal for TV and Film distributors.

HTML5 is great, but Flash should stick around and do what it does best: innovate new web features. Standards like HTML5 should do what they do best: standardize popular innovations across all platforms.

November 19 2010 at 5:15 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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