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John Carmack: Working with Apple not always easy

Folklore.org is a tremendous repository of Apple history and lore. Check it out if you haven't; you'll find some entertaining and incredible stories.

I'm reminded of Folklore whenever a story emerges describing Apple from behind the scenes, like this interview with id Software's co-founder John Carmack. Speaking with Kotaku, John describes the ups and downs of working with Apple:

"I'll be invited up on stage for a keynote one month and then I'll say something they don't like and I can be blacklisted for six months."

We suspect such a public revelation won't get you back on stage anytime soon, John. Or maybe not, as he's now got "a man on the inside." Former id coworker Graeme Devine now works at Apple's iPhone Game Technologies division. However, the most interesting part of this interview confirms, in a small way, what I've always suspected: Apple begrudgingly promotes the iPod touch and iPhone as gaming platforms.

"At the highest level of Apple, in their heart of hearts," Carmack said, "they're not proud of the iPhone being a game machine, they wish it was something else." I have no way of backing this up, but I've long suspected that Steve Jobs in particular has no interest in the world of gaming. They're certainly pushing the iPod touch as a gaming device, but I'm sure it's through tightly-clenched teeth.

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pika2000

Yeah, Apple marketing the iPod Touch as a gaming device didn't sound right to me either. I'm guessing it's a PR distraction from the production issues with the camera that supposed to go into the 3G Touch?

As for the Mac, isn't the problem that most games are using DirectX? The same issue is going on with Linux too. If game developers are using OpenGL, I would think porting their games to Mac/Linux wouldn't be so hard, would it?

November 09 2009 at 8:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tom Smale

In my view, Carmack has long since secured his place as icon of the gaming industry. Inducted into my personal video game hall of fame, so to speak. But sometimes this guy just talks out of his ass. I don't know where his frustration comes from, but his remarks aren't specific. He speculates Apple isn't committed to gaming because Jobs' heart isn't in it? What does that even mean?

November 09 2009 at 5:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Hawkman

At least he's got a bit of a sense of humour about it. I guess you'd have to.

I'm sure Jobs is proud of the touch's *success* as a gaming machine, even if he wishes it was for something else.

November 09 2009 at 5:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
jpwillis

Um QUAKE 4 would be nice too btw

November 09 2009 at 4:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Timepilot84

Um, you can't run games on an Apple product unless they're more than two years old. Steve doesn't abide.

November 09 2009 at 5:50 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
jpwillis

John, please play nice with Steve at least untill I get QUAKE 2 securely on my iPhone from the app store :-)

November 09 2009 at 4:55 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Yoshi1080

Thank God the App Store developers decided this one. Maybe one day the Mac will become a gaming platform too ...

November 09 2009 at 4:45 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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