Greenpeace praises Apple's US Chamber of Commerce exit
Greenpeace has decided they'll get more attention from praising Apple than by trying to bury it.The environmental organization is singing hosannas and heysannas to the Cupertino-company for taking a green stand and resigning from the US Chamber of Commerce. Apple walked away from the organization on Monday over Chamber actions seen by Apple as opposing efforts to limit greenhouse gases.
Chamber President Thomas Donohue says his organization does want to see "legislation to address climate change," though the Chamber is against current proposals that, he says, will "significantly raise energy prices, (and) throw more Americans out of work."
Greenpeace revels in the kerfuffle, saying in a post on its website, "Apple has stormed out of the biggest lobby group in the United States. At issue is the US Chamber of Commerce's use of funds to oppose climate change legislation. Apple has done the right thing, and IBM and Microsoft should think different too." (See what they did there?)
The environmental organization says the Chamber should consider the number of jobs that would be created by helping clean up the environment. It's hard to see these two groups hugging it out.
Still, it's praise and adoration for Apple, with the "save the whales" set saying, "The stakes have never been higher for the climate. Apple's move will throw an uncomfortable spotlight on any company that stays on in the Chamber but doesn't act to change its policies."
Interesting. I wonder if Apple thought of that.
[via cnet]
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Liberty,
Heartland gets funding by ExxonMobil.
No, while volcanoes do indeed contribute CO2, they don't come close to anthropogenic sources.
How can anyone regardless if global warming or climate change is true or not be opposed to a cleaner and greener technology?
Even if nowadays technology doesn't heat up the earth it certainly is not healthy, I think we can agree on that if not just turn on your car in the garage and breath it all in.
So even if it's all bogus it's a good change to make the world a greener place. Every new technology creates new opportunities, just look at the internet for one. Same will happen with green energy.
The chamber wants to "reduce greenhouse gases" without reducing greenhouse gases. They're talking out of both sides of their mouth.If I am wrong, tell me what their plan is. I sounds like it is "do nothing until China and India do."
October 11 2009 at 4:33 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyThe US Chamber of Commerce supports ALL energy projects. See their "Project/No Project" website...
http://pnp.uschamber.com/
They label ALL opposition to ALL energy projects as NIMBY -- even projects that violate industry best practices and that are opposed by a sovereign federal government (such as the LNG projects in Passamaquoddy Bay, Maine: Downeast LNG and Calais LNG).
Here's a quote from the US Chamber's Project/No Project homepage screed:
"These 'Not In My Back Yard' folks, or NIMBYs as they are called, block energy projects by organizing local opposition, changing zoning laws, opposing permits, filing lawsuits, and bleeding projects dry of their financing. And far from just blocking modern coal plants; THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT A WIND FARM OR ANY OTHER ENERGY SOURCE EITHER." (Emphasis added.)
The US Chamber takes a build anything anywhere position, ignoring good sense.
Other large corporations that disagree with the US Chamber's policy on energy and climate...
Quit the US Chamber board...
⢠Nike
Large Power Utility Companies that have quit membership...
⢠Exelon Corp.
⢠PNM Resources
⢠Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E)
Companies that have stated the US Chamber does not represent their views on energy and climate...
⢠Alcoa
⢠Caterpillar
⢠ConocoPhillips
⢠Dow
⢠Duke Energy
⢠General Electric
⢠Johnson&Johnson
⢠Levi Strauss & Co.
⢠Microsoft
⢠San Jose Chamber of Commerce
⢠Siemens
⢠Xerox
Wow, Trent. Which is it? A hoax or something it's too late to do something about? Contradict much?
Thanks for the reply. I'll take my chances with the crowd that cured polio and went to the moon. Thanks.
Global Warming is a big fat hoax. It is the new religion of the world urban elites who want to destroy businesses, jobs and families by massively driving up the cost of costs of goods and services squeezing middle class budgets and increasing poverty.
How many jobs has Greenpeace produced with their businesses? Oh yea, that's right...they are a special interest lobbying group that goes around destroying, terrorizing and setting businesses on fire like they did with the vehicle dealerships out in CA that produced more CO2 from the fire than the vehicles themselves would have caused...IDIOTS!
I am all about the environment and do so by recycling reducing landfills cause land is limited. However, global warming caused by us humans is not true. The last 450,000 years mother nature as experienced 12 global warming and cooling periods...way before the industrial revolution much less the invention of the car. The last 10 years the earth has been in a cooling period. Again, if we were the cause, the earth would have been on fire by now but it's not.
Trent:
If you believe in a sinister cabal of "world urban elites who want to destroy businesses, jobs and families by massively driving up the cost of costs of goods and services squeezing middle class budgets and increasing poverty," I'm afraid you're the one who's been hoaxed.
I think there are elites and non-elites, but if they want to fleece people, they can and do think of far simpler ways that don't restrain their freedom to pollute.
And Greenpeace (whatever you think of em, but I think they have their place) does have environmental labs where they produce public domain research on alternatives to toxic materials in industrial production. So I'd say indirectly, they've produced a lot of jobs. Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace and non-violent direct action work with so-called "eco-terrorism." But there's more than one environmental group in existence.
Otherwise you're repeating a lot of stuff that has been refuted, like the "natural cycles" phenomenon. See:
http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/
Anyway, I also want to say that Apple is pretty cool for doing this. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce will be nudged towards shaping up because of this, but I doubt it.
Rob B
Hey Chris they also said that it was to late to do anything about it. Hmmm seems weird that someone would destroy a industry to limit green house gases when no matter what we do it won't help. The whole thing is to take control of energy and make stuff like wind power affordable by raping the energy sources that actually can stand on there own. Oil is what drives the ecomonic engine of the world and I think we are getting close to the point where, if the USA doesn't start drilling for are own oil we are doomed.
October 10 2009 at 12:24 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyRyan, that isn't true. You might be confusing two different ideas. What has been said by the science is that there will probably be a plateau in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, even if we move to zero emissions, because it takes about a thousand years to dissipate. That means any negative effects associated with that level of CO2 will continue. But understand, it keeps things from getting WORSE. You see? There is a difference between "not getting better" and "not getting worse".. A big difference. And here is the science behind that.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090126_climate.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/01/28/0812721106.abstract
Sorry for the double post. How do I erase?
October 09 2009 at 11:14 PM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyHey Vince. I understand you do not understand. So I brought in some people with a little more clout to help. These ainât no hippies:
NASA:
http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
âMost scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect" -- warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space.â
NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/Library/ocp2009/ocp2009-ccsp.htm
âClimate research conducted over the past several years indicates that most of the global warming experienced in the past few decades is very likely due to the observed increase in greenhouse gas concentrations from human activities.â
AGU (American Geophysical Union) http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/climate_change2008.shtml
âThe Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate systemâincluding the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasonsâare now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century.â
And on, and on, and on. Universities, Global Panels, Space Programs, Government science programs, as well as privately funded institutions â over, and over, and over again, explain this situation to the public. Literally thousands of reputable warnings.
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